Greenspan the Master.

Quote from Algorithm:

You just proved my point.

Thanks.
Now what's your point? A strong US economy & a VERY weak currency. Is that your rational? Is it that what you want? O.K. but than don't blame the oil producers if you can't pay your gas bill in the near future, my friend!
 
Quote from hairdresser:

how do you know that the smart money is buying gold?

:) I'm not buying gold. I'm maintaining my position on small rental, but upscale rental unit because I'm anticipating increasing rents while my payment stays locked in. Buying Gold without some form of leverage takes you nowhere in "real" terms. Graph the "real" inflation adjusted price of gold some time and you'll see a flat line. I used to be a gold bug myself until I learned about leverage. Well selected rare gold coins are probably a better bet.

FWIW, I think Greenspan did an excellent job that will be a hard act to follow. He raised rates slowly to slow the housing industry because he knew full well that what was fueling our trade deficit and spending was the wealth effect and spending of our home equities. He knew this, but he never came out an said it, because at his level, even a casual comment could be catastophic. We'll see home price rises slow down but not reverse except for the crazy frothy areas. Meanwhile, rents will play catch up because so many landlords took profits there aren't many left, and as the economy improves, the kids will get jobs and need places to live (small places).

Regarding Gold, If I had sold a rental property 3 years ago and bought gold with it, I could sell that gold today, and just barely buy back that rental property. Nothing happened in real estate except the dollar weakened, and that wasn't Greenspan's fault. It was massive deficit spending approved by the legislative and executive branch of the government that I love dearly.

Smart Money
 
Kind of.
The trouble is that economic phenomena work slowly but steadily. Much too slow for people to easily comprehend and tie together.

"I do think the American worker is the most productive and innovative in the world."
It used to be the European worker till many started voting with their feet and "set foot" into the US.
Today, the US, like Europe have become systems for distributing poverty, ruled over by socialist-gospel spreading barons, so much loved by the people. Inflation and debt are merely symptoms.
Where will that US worker have to flee to when time comes to again vote with his feet?
Quote from Algorithm:

The Brits. like most of Europe are socialists. Political issues/policy is what is killing that part of the world. As long as the U.S. stays business friendly and relatively free, it will ALWAYS be a strong business incubator and innovator.

These days political policy is probably more important than, my only concern is that the voices of socialism gain volume and start taking hold in the U.S.. Couple that with governmental spending that's out of control, there is some concern. I do think the American worker is the most productive and innovative in the world.

I agree Japan is a force, but I think over the next 20 years Eastern Europe, Korea and some smaller Asian emerging markets could show bigger gains Japan.
 
Quote from kingcobra:

this jew ought to be ashame of himself. doesn't he know that klans can't stand jews a la pat roberston????????????????????????????????????????????????????

what the f#&k did you say?
 
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As for investing in physical gold, IMO I do not think it’s a good idea for anyone without a sufficiently large capital base to do so until they have accumulated enough capital behind them. If you have or can develop an edge, now is the time to be earnestly taking advantage of all the liquidity out there, you will have plenty of time to build a diversified portfolio later. Many of the markets that we see today sprung into existence as a result of all the liquidity that was created since the 70’s following the abandonment of Bretton Woods by Nixon. They will be around for some time to come, but I would expect that many of them will eventually disappear when the excesses of the past and those that are to be created by Bernanke in the future are finally cleared through deflation. Inflation begets deflation as they say, and the extent of the deflation is relative to the extent of the inflation that preceded it.

And that's really the issue, isn't it? The loss of price stability that is coming is pretty much an undisputed issue. It is probably the only thing that will cause the US collectively to get off our rears and compete for real. And I think we will, but not without a lot of pain for a while. OTOH, it creates a lot of opportunity.

The big question in my mind is this:
do we get deflation followed by inflation, or will it be inflation followed by deflation (which is a more likely scenario). Inflate the debt away, precipitate a fiat currency crisis, then revalue by returning to a gold or bimetallic standard.

However, in the back of my mind I fear a scenario in which there is wage, asset, and manufactured goods deflation combined with commodity inflation, thereby pretty much wiping out most of the economic gains of the last century. That would probably be worst outcome possibility.
 
Quote from BVM88:

I suggest that you use Google to find the answers that you ask of me. I just keyed in ‘Bernanke Arrogance’ and got 10 pages of it – seems like many others see him that way as well.
Here is the first one that appeared on the search – you can call up the rest

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P133921.asp


As for the Federal Reserve, it was easily created by an act of congress and can just as easily be abandoned. Bernanke did say in his speech of 11/2002 on Deflation: “The Congress has given the Fed the responsibility of preserving price stability”. Since the US dollar held on to its purchasing power in the 100 years prior to the establishment of the FED but lost over 92% since the FED was established in 1913 I would say that the FED has failed miserably in its primary responsibility.

Here are a few links for you which again I found via a google search:

http://www.worldnewsstand.net/today/articles/fedprivatelyowned.htm


http://www.rense.com/politics6/fedres.htm

http://www.michaeljournal.org/fedreserve.htm



As for your earlier post that I recall on a fiat currency never going to zero, I would suggest that you visit your local library and read up on history. You will find that all fiat currencies have eventually gone to zero, the US dollar if history is any guide will not be an exception. In fact, even when money was based on gold and silver coinage governments have almost always found means of debasing it, whether it be by introducing copper or another base metal into the mix or reducing the size of the coins. Governments have truly shown themselves to be the greatest of counterfeiters throughout the ages. In debasing their own currency governments have also quite often sown the seeds of their own demise, for currency debasement is a common catalyst to social change, revolution and end of empire. You do understand that the money that you have in your pocket and in the bank gives you title to nothing. So how did you feel when Bernanke said in his speech of 11/2002: “Like gold, U.S. dollars have value only to the extent that they are strictly limited in supply. But the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services. We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation……If we do fall into deflation, however, we can take comfort that the logic of the printing press example must assert itself, and sufficient injections of money will ultimately always reverse a deflation.” All his speeches in fact are so full of naivety and ignorance that it boggles the mind that this person is an economics professor. As I recall in 2002 almost every time he opened his mouth the market dropped, which is why I would imagine he kept such a low profile for 2 years thereafter. This guy really scares people. An investor investing in US government bonds after reading what Bernanke says would be almost like a Jew investing in Nazi Germany after reading Mein Kampf.


As for investing in physical gold, IMO I do not think it’s a good idea for anyone without a sufficiently large capital base to do so until they have accumulated enough capital behind them. If you have or can develop an edge, now is the time to be earnestly taking advantage of all the liquidity out there, you will have plenty of time to build a diversified portfolio later. Many of the markets that we see today sprung into existence as a result of all the liquidity that was created since the 70’s following the abandonment of Bretton Woods by Nixon. They will be around for some time to come, but I would expect that many of them will eventually disappear when the excesses of the past and those that are to be created by Bernanke in the future are finally cleared through deflation. Inflation begets deflation as they say, and the extent of the deflation is relative to the extent of the inflation that preceded it.

could the loss in purchasing power be moving away from the gold standard and not so much the fed?
 
Quote from nononsense:

Kind of.
The trouble is that economic phenomena work slowly but steadily. Much too slow for people to easily comprehend and tie together.

"I do think the American worker is the most productive and innovative in the world."
It used to be the European worker till many started voting with their feet and "set foot" into the US.
Today, the US, like Europe have become systems for distributing poverty, ruled over by socialist-gospel spreading barons, so much loved by the people. Inflation and debt are merely symptoms.
Where will that US worker have to flee to when time comes to again vote with his feet?

japan...
 
I really don't see why so many on this board are so in love with Japan. Yes they have a productive work force, but only recently have they really started to make progress into banking reforms which will truly make their market a "free" market. Japan still protects its corporations from outside competition through restrictive business laws and practices. Japan is just starting to emerge from a funk of deflation/recession that has lasted for over a decade.

I, personally, think that there are other emerging markets and economies that will show more promise in the future, but only if their political structure stays sane and stable. I do believe there are countries in Eastern Europe, such as Poland, that have what it takes to become real growing forces, but only time will tell.

One way to prove this point is that if you had some seed capital and wanted to start a business anywhere in the world, where would you go? I would think most of us would choose the U.S. for such a scenario, but beyond that, I personally wouldn't balk at Poland or the Czech Republic. Taxation rates and stability are very favorable. Population is VERY educated and most, if not all below the age of 30, speak English as a second language. I would also have to say that Ireland rates as well, although not as highly due to the probability that they will only become more regulatory in nature and taxation is excessive.

I am just saying that America still incubates and encourages more innovation (not outright production and manufacturing) than any other place on the planet. A devalued currency isn't a bad thing as long as that currency has the capability of increasing in value. A high valued currency isn't necessarily a good thing, but a currency that is backed by stability, innovation, and high productivity is a GREAT thing. You see America, right now, has the capability of increasing its dollar value as it sees fit through the freedoms in our government. Yes, we could have a strong dollar, the most valuable currency in the world, but we choose economic expansion instead. For that expansion to occur right now, a weaker dollar is better. Now, the REAL problem is that when we weaken our dollar and spur productivity and economic expansion, our expansion isn't fast enough due to the OVERSPENDING of our government. You see, we can keep interest rates very low and see a strengthening dollar and economic expansion as long as we keep national spending in check. Heck we could have extremely low rates on capital and low taxation rates as well if we had a government that was bare bones.

It all comes down to what you want. Weak dollar is not a bad thing, but the reasons for its weakness is where the devil is in the details.

Sorry about the verbose post, but I really think that too many people overlook the importance of the political will or actions that underly currency markets. We could have a strengthening dollar next week if we wanted to, but that probably would mean taking actions that, in the long run, might lead to an even weaker dollar for much more serious reasons.
 
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could the loss in purchasing power be moving away from the gold standard and not so much the fed?

Sure, without the gold standard a loss in purchasing power is almost assured because the government and the Fed, being the first to spend the newly created money, benefit most from debasement. Savers as you would expect are the ones that are hurt the most by the process, but in the US most people have woken up to it in some respects, so they no longer save. Greenspan put it beautifully in 1966: “In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold.”

The government and the Fed focus entirely on their BS inflation numbers, but the money supply, being the most accurate measure of inflation is of no concern to them. I had a quick look at one of Bernanke’s papers on inflation recently and saw a well written speech with the most intricate, and useless, analysis of the BS inflation statistics, but no reference to money supply growth. They just do not want us to know about the money supply and that is why they are doing away with the M3 statistic. So much for the transparency of the Fed under Bernanke.

As long as the newly created money ends up in real-estate or stocks, they are content, but once it ends up in the prices of goods they blame everyone but themselves for it. When that happens they often impose wage and price controls such as Nixon, or in the distant past as in the case of the Roman emperor, Diocletian, who debased his coins with copper, the death penalty on any merchant who puts up prices.
 
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