Greece falls into chaos and poverty

Explain to me with your detailed knowledge of history the choice the Cuban people had in choosing their form of government in 1960 and the years since...

Castro invaded Cuba with a small army and recruited poor people from the countryside who were starving and looked over by current government and overthrew Bautista and marched into Havana with an army taking over.

When Castro and Che (an Argentinian by the way) took power they imprisoned and murdered anyone who supported the previous government or was thought to not be loyal to Castro. Hundreds of thousands fled because they were most l ikely were going to be killed, imprisoned or treated like shit. People left everything they which was little after the government took it, and many had loved ones disappear because their names were on lists.

He confiscated all the land and business and took what he wanted for himself and dictated by law what profession and school people could choose. There was no equal distributions to the people.

He eliminated all the media and only allowed newspapers ran by the government. Anyone who criticized the government or the policies were never heard from again. Every election was basically voting for the candidates Castro hand selected and the Presidential election was Castro unopposed every time. The Congress that was in existence based on the U.S. model now could never vote or decide on any laws or policies that were not approved or supported by Castro. The list of political opponents imprisoned or killed grew every year to where opposition was completely illegal.

Castro lived on a secluded compound with cars and money and support from Russia and China while the country was filled with poor peasants who had no rights or say in how they lived their lives. All agriculture and prices were set by the government and if you did not follow your land was taken and given to someone who would follow.

So please explain to me with your advanced insight how the Cuban people CHOSE this for themselves or had any power to change it. People were so desparate to get away from this FORCED system of living they were willing to ride a few sheets of plywood strung together in shark infested waters with strong currents to hopefully escape.

If you did not treat Castro like the Father of the country you were thrown in jail (a la North Korea).

SO before you go spouting off about Cuba and the people choosing to be "socialist" and that the people are so happy in their elected form of goverment, how about you shut the fuck up and crack a book.

You know nothing about what you are talking about and as someone with a Cuban history and who has been there 2x in the last 4 years and studied their history, there is nothing socialist or free about it. A dictator took over and imposed his will on the people. There is very little difference between North Korea and Cuba.

Those are all valid points, but at the end of the day, the only ones that can change that are the people.

During WWII we fire bombed Dresden and many though that was wrong because of the same arguments you make. I not only thought it was right, but moral. No matter what form of govt, the governed are ultimately responsible.
 
Other than a couple of outliers like scandinavia, socialists must use repression to retain power. Cuba is merely the worst example, but not atypical. In post-independence Africa, they developed a saying "One man, one vote. Once."

Even in more civilized socialist countries, the governments use extreme measures to enforce equality of suffering. Who believes even that can survive the massive migrant invasion?
 
Those are all valid points, but at the end of the day, the only ones that can change that are the people.

During WWII we fire bombed Dresden and many though that was wrong because of the same arguments you make. I not only thought it was right, but moral. No matter what form of govt, the governed are ultimately responsible.

The people are poor, opressed and controlled at every stage of their lives, they just want to feed their family and be happy, not stage a political uprising and get killed. I like how you put all the blame on the Cubans as though, again, they have much choice in their daily life.

Maybe some of you enlightened people should visit Cuba and talk to people. Many love their country (it is beautiful in many ways, unspoiled) and they live an easy life with respect to what brings them joy but they have none to little internet or interaction with foreigners. Up until recently, Cubans were forbidden from entering tourist spots and beaches. But they still have great pride in their country, just not in their politicians, those that choose to speak.

They are not happy with the conditions and have little power to change.

EDIT: Fidel dies and his brother steps in. Raul retires and handpicks his successor. Dictator plan and simple. I doubt the leader of Sweden or Norway is considered a dictator or runs their country the same way.
 
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I did not mean that to come across as "blaming" them. I was just pointing out that at some point it is up to them to change things.
 
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