The abuses by individual soldiers cannot be equated with orchestrated commands from the top.
Let me repeat what I wrote:
"While you didn't direct this to me, I'd like to make it clear that I do not deny that the US military causes civilian casualties. In fact, to me it seems to be informal US policy to cause deliberate civilian casualties in the countries that we are at war with."
I wrote "informal US policy"; it is *you* who talks about "orchestrated from above", not me. You're setting up a (rather weak) strawman. "Informal US policy" implies that there is nothing written down. Certainly no evidence will survive of "orchestrated commands from the top". This is not 1972. This is the 21st century. Instead of official commands you have verbal conversations between people who understand each others intentions. And no tape recorders allowed, LOL.
But the subject of "orchestrated from the top" is an interesting one. We all know that waterboarding was indeed, shown to be orchestrated from the top. The abuses at Abu Ghraib, well, we don't have direct evidence for orchestration. As far as "orchestrated from the top" in the second world war, you might enjoy this unclassified 1989 US Army War College Studies Program Paper written by Lieutenant Colonel Richard A. Conroy:
OPERATION THUNDERCLAP: THE BOMBING OF DRESDEN
Precision bombing of military targets was a reality in World War II by the end of 1943. By February, 1945, the war in Europe was nearly over. Why, then at that late date, was the city of Dresden destroyed by allied firebombing? In addressing this question, the Dresden case study examines the evolution of bombing practices on both sides during the war in Europe. Both British and American bombing policies are scrutinized. Objectives, both military and political served by the Dresden bombing, are explained. Public reaction to the bombings in the U.K. and U.S. are discussed as well as the reaction of both Governments to those reactions. Finally, the study examines the doctrine of Just War, draws conclusions and provides commentary.
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Morally it was troubling, though not much less than the fact that our P-51s were strafing the long streams of refugees going in and out of Dresden the next day.
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In both the nuclear and conventional case, the enduring question remains for the warfighter. Can there be a compatibility between means and ends, or in war must the higher ethical consideration of winning override all other considerations on how to do so? How far should we go in the suppression of our traditional American values in order to secure a greater, fully justified end? That, of course, is the crux of the JUS IN BELLO.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a209271.pdf
Plus your cited 2 links are BOTH DOWN. looks like your people should first invest in better technology. Or have the Chinese hackers struck again?![]()
The post you're replying to has a wikipedia link which seems to work for me. Wikipedia itself has lots of old links and experienced people know that you often have to use google to find stuff that has moved. If you're talking about something else, repeat the bad links and I'll fix them. It sounds to me like you're just nit picking.