Greece asking for $59 billion now, yes more bailouts and absolutely no such thing as failure!!

[volpunter]

Agree with all, and yes, Americans collectively nor individually are bad people I hope this is not the message that came across. But if there is such stark disconnect between the wish of the majority of people and its leadership then there is a bigger underlying problem. Most Americans are not interested in taking action upon their political views which surprises me, given they are so vocal about their political views and convictions. Many in Europe go on the street, demonstrate, sacrifice their time to disagree with their government. I hardly ever see that happening in the US. People talk a lot, really a looooot, but do very little to nothing to change things.

The problem in the US is that even in a country that was apparently founded on power of the people, democracy, and all that - the truth is the people have very little power. The country is both owned and sold out - it's actually quite sad.

It's obviously not a horrible place to live and Americans themselves are not bad people - but there are some serious issues here.

Money, inequality, and lack of real productivity are some of the major issues slowly doing is in and if we keep going down this road there might not be an opportunity to reverse it.

 

[volpunter]

Full heartedly agree with all your points.

We can and should get back to Greece, Germany is part of the block of many countries and there are more than half in Europe that are even much more vocal about their distrust and resentment towards Greeks and Greece. It is frustrating to hear the UK and US injecting themselves into this discussion, which in itself is fine, but singling out Germany whenever it pleases them in order to satisfy their appetite to blame Germany for everything under the sun is not a reflection of an intelligent, educated, and wise world view and more particularly view on the realities in Europe.

Regional wars? At least 5 countries are involved now through ISIS - which was founded after US invasion into Middle East and the weapons they use are the ones American military left behind in Iraq. I wouldn't call it a "regional war".

If that is a regional war then so are the world wars as they mostly involved Europe. Japan's actions are its own and can't be blamed on Germany. Also, the first world war was started by Serbs and not Germans.

It's perfectly understandable how most Americans have a very "flowery" view of the actions of the American empire but it's worth pointing out that it's not factual. Similarly, most people in nazi Germany didn't consider their country to be particularly violent or oppressive.

I'd also like to talk about Greece but if you read where this started, people started talking about Germany and the discussion became off-topic. Nobody seemed to mind when "shit-talking" Germany took place but you objected when it was about US.
Blaming Germany is a popular past-time in UK and US but people should remember that Germany is only one of the financiers and it has the backing of over 20 European countries.
I don't see anyone blaming Finns or Latvians although they have an equally tough stance toward Greek fuck-ups, it's always "Germany this and Germany that".

 

[volpunter]

and American "toe poppers" which it took the US only 28 years to admit they caused a severe number of civilian casualties.

While I agree with most of your arguments, this one is utter horseshit. Dioxins have been proven to cause birth defects and very high levels of dioxin were found in the soil at US bases and in the breast milk of women in the surrounding areas.
Of course US would never admit to this no matter how many facts you present as that would give way to a lawsuit and the victims would rightfully demand compensation.

 

[S2007S]

Are they now extending to July 15th????

WTF .....enough already. Let them exit.the euro and be done with it. There is no fix. How many times do they have to be given an extension .....again no such thing as failure.....even in China they have done.everything possible to kept their inflated bubble market from bursting....



Sunday1512 - Finnish finance minister says euro zone ministers gave Greece until July 15 to pass new laws and conditions must be approved by Greek parliament for ESM talks to start.1507 - Eurogroup head Dijsselbloem says a couple of big issues still open as meeting ends.1438 - Lithuanian president says Greece staying in euro zone or leaving will be "very, very costly for everybody".1417 - Merkel says most important currency has vanished with Greece, which is trust; deal not wanted at any price; principles must be upheld.1145 - Russia intends to support an economic recovery in Greece by expanding cooperation in the energy sector, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak says.1047 - Luxembourg's foreign minister makes an impassioned plea for Germany to avoid a Greek exit from the euro, warning Berlin of a catastrophic schism with France if it pushes for Athens to leave the currency union.0904 - EU's Moscovici says institutions agree there is a basis for negotiations, Greece must do more0854 - Slovak finance minister says Greece must front-load reforms to get deal, no agreement possible on Sunday0835 - Italy's Padoan says wants to see Greek parliament take measures from Monday, biggest obstacle is lack of trust0752 - EU's Tusk says Sunday's planned EU summit is cancelled. Separate euro zone meeting to start at 1400 GMTSaturday2217 - Euro zone finance ministers' talks on a bailout for Greece remain "very difficult" and will resume at 0900 GMT on Sunday after breaking overnight, Eurogroup President Jeroen Dijsselbloem tells reporters.

 

[hajimow]

Is Greece talk going astray?

 

[volpunter]

Let them? They can leave any time.nobody forces them. Get your facts straight...

Are they now extending to July 15th????

WTF .....enough already. Let them exit.the euro and be done with it. There is no fix. How many times do they have to be given an extension .....again no such thing as failure.....even in China they have done.everything possible to kept their inflated bubble market from bursting....



Sunday1512 - Finnish finance minister says euro zone ministers gave Greece until July 15 to pass new laws and conditions must be approved by Greek parliament for ESM talks to start.1507 - Eurogroup head Dijsselbloem says a couple of big issues still open as meeting ends.1438 - Lithuanian president says Greece staying in euro zone or leaving will be "very, very costly for everybody".1417 - Merkel says most important currency has vanished with Greece, which is trust; deal not wanted at any price; principles must be upheld.1145 - Russia intends to support an economic recovery in Greece by expanding cooperation in the energy sector, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak says.1047 - Luxembourg's foreign minister makes an impassioned plea for Germany to avoid a Greek exit from the euro, warning Berlin of a catastrophic schism with France if it pushes for Athens to leave the currency union.0904 - EU's Moscovici says institutions agree there is a basis for negotiations, Greece must do more0854 - Slovak finance minister says Greece must front-load reforms to get deal, no agreement possible on Sunday0835 - Italy's Padoan says wants to see Greek parliament take measures from Monday, biggest obstacle is lack of trust0752 - EU's Tusk says Sunday's planned EU summit is cancelled. Separate euro zone meeting to start at 1400 GMTSaturday2217 - Euro zone finance ministers' talks on a bailout for Greece remain "very difficult" and will resume at 0900 GMT on Sunday after breaking overnight, Eurogroup President Jeroen Dijsselbloem tells reporters.

 

[Nine_Ender]

Are they now extending to July 15th????

WTF .....enough already. Let them exit.the euro and be done with it. There is no fix. How many times do they have to be given an extension .....again no such thing as failure.....even in China they have done.everything possible to kept their inflated bubble market from bursting....

Maybe you should give them a call, tell them you are a delusional trader in the US that wants a massive stock market crash and see if they'll listen to you. I fail to see where your interest is in this. Have you lent Greece money ? Are you a major investor in a US bank that lent them money ? What nerve you have to think you have a say in the future of Greek citizens, it is clear you don't give a shit about them, but here's a news flash. They don't give a shit about you.

 

[S2007S]

Let them? They can leave any time.nobody forces them. Get your facts straight...

They can leave anytime ...haha

So why haven't they?

They want their free money....free bailout money ....tens of billions of it.....that's why they wont leave on their own accord...

 

[sheda]

Goes to show what a german deadline and the german word means in this world, Nothing.

 

[volpunter]

why have they not yet left? Is this a rhetorical question? Because they love freebies. Nobody forces them to stay in the Euro. They in fact FREELY choose to default on a portion or all of their debt. Every action of course comes with consequences. But Greeks are a free people who can choose whatever they like.

They can leave anytime ...haha

So why haven't they?

They want their free money....free bailout money ....tens of billions of it.....that's why they wont leave on their own accord...