Great Depression II (2000-201?)

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Harry,

I enjoy your posts.

You seem to have a fix on quite a few things.

Pls let me ask you...

What do you think the fall out of Yassin's murder will be?

Sam
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Yassin's murder is one ripple more in the Ocean's tempest that is preparing. Again I don't speak for within 1 year, I speak maybe for 10 years ahead because it is climate's trend not day to day's metereology: the factors are there and amplified by such assassination. By invading Irak, assassinating Israelian or arab leaders - the nationality doesn't really matter globally - it just add to the boiling atmosphere. Often such assassination is disguised under a foolish act of a single individual whereas it was a carefull prepared political design and history in some cases have proved it and on others have proved that it couldn't be that person (a survey shows that even most american who are rather usually gullible - ok no more or less than french people :D - don't even believe that Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Oswald). Then this implies that they knowingly crafted this atmosphere of war and even terror and trusting blindly those who pretend to defend democracy is the error of us the people : we have permitted this by not reacting and opening our eyes for the majority. I don't believe in fatality, I do only believe in people's will, I see no will from the people, then the logical consequence will be the same as fatality.

War and money are tightly linked. Behind war, ideologies are just pretext. Money is the true reason. For modern example I just copied from an other post http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30414&perpage=6&pagenumber=3, Clinton knowingly invented a "surplus budget" that was false because it was just a transfer from the retirement money to an other gov's budget (this doesn't remind you of corporates accused of frauds by the same gov because they were doing the same with accounting transfer ?), that then Bush "just" continues to exploit for making his war spending for the profit of Halliburton and carlyle group (main investors ... Ben Laden Family) so that surplus budget, which comes from retirement funds and that has never existed in truth has now been poured into the pocket of the thiefs. And this retirement budget that has been stolen, if you don't remember or know, has been created before by Greenspan who asked for doubling this social tax under the pretext that retirement will be a problem; of course it will be a problem if each time retirement money is just pumped out haha ! When the problem is created mostly by those who denounces it to even more profit from it...

This was done with the complicity of nearly the whole Congress except a few that denounced the accounting fraud vainly. So you can count on them also for counterbalancing the gov's thiefs and defend people's money and taxes. Now if people weren't so dumb to ignore that debts = defered taxes in future, and the more it is defered the more heavy it will be so your children or little children risk to become slaves of gov. Everybody will have to work for gov because individual properties through tax pumping higher and higher at each generation will be just be erased at long term except for a very very few.




 
Doom & Gloom baby. Run, buy gold and hide in the bomb shelter.

There is some interesting analyses but I only have one problem. If it's that obvious to an intelligent person, do you think our government and top corporation leaders (who partly run the country) are not aware of this?

I think Fed and Bush administration have smth up their sleeves.
 
Quote from Mecro:

Doom & Gloom baby. Run, buy gold and hide in the bomb shelter.

There is some interesting analyses but I only have one problem. If it's that obvious to an intelligent person, do you think our government and top corporation leaders (who partly run the country) are not aware of this?

I think Fed and Bush administration have smth up their sleeves.
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You have way too much faith in human rationality. I used to think that way, too...when I was about 13 years old.

If we had a lick of sense as a species we would never have allowed such ridiculous human overpopulation.

m
 
Quote from MackieMesser:

You have way too much faith in human rationality. I used to think that way, too...when I was about 13 years old.

If we had a lick of sense as a species we would never have allowed such ridiculous human overpopulation.

m
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Ok first of all, if all the doom & gloom scenario preachers are so damn smart then why the hell are they posting on ET instead of running smth important that can actually help. I never said I do not agree with most of the points made, in fact I have believed the same for over 2 years. But come on now, EVERY decade there are thousands of critics that do nothing but blame the US government for future failures and disasters, yet this is still the strongest and best country in the world. Look at the emerging markets, particularly Russia & China. They are trying to be like USA, so apparently this country's model WORKS.
That being said, I'm just pointing out that the think tanks of this country are surely aware of the trade deficits, exploding govt, corporate and personal debt and outsourced jobs. So will there be reprucussions? YES, most definitely. Will there be doom & gloom depression? I strongly doubt it. It is in no one's interest to push that scenario hence it will be averted and alleviated as much as possible.

Regarding human overpopulation, you are wrong. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if everyone was give 12 square feet of space. There is still a lot of room on this Earth. Also, China & India have been exercising population control for at least a decade, so the idea of population control is in motion. I think it's just a matter of time before oral prophilaptics become extremely cheap and mass produced, and soon thereafter strict population controls become effective. It is a reality that is becoming more and more apparent to more people everyday. I just do not think USA is ready for it yet. BTW, we can blame the damn ghetto baby mommas for all these unwanted kids. I think we can cut the population growth just by force feeding these idiots birth control pills.
 
"Regarding human overpopulation, you are wrong. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if everyone was give 12 square feet of space. There is still a lot of room on this Earth. "


I think you meant 1,200 square feet of space.

I did the calculation using Washington state years ago.
The entire population of earth can fit into Washingstate state
if you give each person a 1000 square foot apartment.

SINGLE level too! :D

Then you would have the entire rest of the earth left
over for food growth.

Population problem? Nope.... only happens at the local level.



peace

axeman
 
Quote from Mecro:

Ok first of all, if all the doom & gloom scenario preachers are so damn smart then why the hell are they posting on ET instead of running smth important that can actually help. I never said I do not agree with most of the points made, in fact I have believed the same for over 2 years. But come on now, EVERY decade there are thousands of critics that do nothing but blame the US government for future failures and disasters, yet this is still the strongest and best country in the world. Look at the emerging markets, particularly Russia & China. They are trying to be like USA, so apparently this country's model WORKS.
That being said, I'm just pointing out that the think tanks of this country are surely aware of the trade deficits, exploding govt, corporate and personal debt and outsourced jobs. So will there be reprucussions? YES, most definitely. Will there be doom & gloom depression? I strongly doubt it. It is in no one's interest to push that scenario hence it will be averted and alleviated as much as possible.

Regarding human overpopulation, you are wrong. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if everyone was give 12 square feet of space. There is still a lot of room on this Earth. Also, China & India have been exercising population control for at least a decade, so the idea of population control is in motion. I think it's just a matter of time before oral prophilaptics become extremely cheap and mass produced, and soon thereafter strict population controls become effective. It is a reality that is becoming more and more apparent to more people everyday. I just do not think USA is ready for it yet. BTW, we can blame the damn ghetto baby mommas for all these unwanted kids. I think we can cut the population growth just by force feeding these idiots birth control pills.
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I'm not blaming the US. It's a worldwide problem and the third world is still totally out of control in population growth. We were doing better until we started ignoring all the illegal immigration. The new immigrants often bring cultural values with them that encourage large families. Of course we've got our own homegrown baby factories right here in the USA...just consider the Mormons...Provo, Utah has a birth rate that exceeds Bombay.

Anyway, the idea that we have plenty of room, just isn't right. It's not just 'space', it is resources. We are already pushing the limits for quality of life. The modern agricultural miracle comes at great expense to the environment and future viability of food resources. Sure, we can have more people and we will, and human creativity being what it is, we'll find clever ways to feed, shelter and clothe them. But that doesn't change the fact that we've screwed the pooch on this one, long term.

When confronted with the rapid and increasing extinctions of other species we are causing there is usually a lot of fretting and hand-wringing, but when it gets right down to it most people don't care or feel there is anything to be done.

On a personal scale, WTF does it matter? I'll probably be dead before the shit really hits the fan, and if I can just say tough luck for my grandkids then what's to worry about?

If the current rate of extinctions continues unabated for another 30 years, then it will take 30 million years for the earth to recover the lost genetic diversity (this is from E. Wilson, Diversity of Life). And regardless of what most people think (actually this is not something most people on the planet have the luxury of worrying about), this has implications for human survival.

Oh well, party like there is no tomorrow.

m
 
Your post is a little vague,are you being sarcasticand dissing me,or do you agree the markets will go down, only you think it will be catastrofic.Please clarify.
 
Quote from axeman:

"Regarding human overpopulation, you are wrong. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if everyone was give 12 square feet of space. There is still a lot of room on this Earth. "


I think you meant 1,200 square feet of space.

I did the calculation using Washington state years ago.
The entire population of earth can fit into Washingstate state
if you give each person a 1000 square foot apartment.

SINGLE level too! :D

Then you would have the entire rest of the earth left
over for food growth.

Population problem? Nope.... only happens at the local level.



peace

axeman
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That's sophomoric.

m
 
Quote from axeman:

"Regarding human overpopulation, you are wrong. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if everyone was give 12 square feet of space. There is still a lot of room on this Earth. "


I think you meant 1,200 square feet of space.

I did the calculation using Washington state years ago.
The entire population of earth can fit into Washingstate state
if you give each person a 1000 square foot apartment.

SINGLE level too! :D

Then you would have the entire rest of the earth left
over for food growth.

Population problem? Nope.... only happens at the local level.



peace

axeman
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Hehe, thanks for correction. It's from an article I read about a year ago, I just remember "12" was in it. The whole point is that the world is not as populated as people think. Lot and lot of free space, think of the desert wasteland that will be used thanks to technology.
 
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