Government Unions vs. Taxpayers

Quote from Scataphagos:

Strictly speaking yes, of course.

But somewhere along the way, The Constitution ceased to mean what was intended. Woodrow Wilson gave us the Fed... that seems a good place to mark the beginning of the downfall of the Republic.
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What you're overlooking is a government unable to borrow money would never have attracted Wilson and his kind in the first place.

They were a result, not the cause.
 
Quote from 1prometheus:

I will take u up on that Mr. Reardon.


-I hate how big government has led to the pussification of society on almost every level.

-The security state. We are supposedly fighting "them" yet the government is turning inwards and directing its focus on, "us". I hate to see Americans cowered in line at the Airport, people humiliated, etc.

-I am concerned about the future of genuine free speech. Hate crime laws mean the elite will define what is "hate".

-It bothers me that every time I get into a modern car, it starts beeping at me to put my seatbelt on (I might be driving 2 bocks at 12mph). It is like having a government bureaucrat over your shoulder back seat driving.

-I hate the PC that drives the, "truths we can't say". For example the population that commits most all the gun violence is small and easily defined, yet they pretend it is a general problem and pass laws to regulate all gun owners.



-Health is 95% a healthy lifestyle, diet, and genetics. Yet, we cower in fear about, "access to healthcare." Folks, we are all going to die. Our forefathers risked their lives just to step foot on this continent. They tamed a wilderness and built a civilization. Yet all to many modern men go around with a fanny pack on, wimpering about healthcare!

-Folks, when I was a kid we still played with .22's M-80's. We rode bikes with no (Gasp!) helmets, and this was not all that long ago.

One thing I used to read and question was the notion some of our founding father had: A free nation "requires a people capable of self-governance." More and more I question if perhaps that is the real problem: The majority of Americans are now incapable (perhaps in terms of genuine aptitude) of self-governance.

There is a smaller percent that merely desires to live free and is willing to assume risk. We were once a majority, but now we are the minority, and that is why we have the State that we do.
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+1
Great post!
 
Quote from jprad:

What you're overlooking is a government unable to borrow money would never have attracted Wilson and his kind in the first place.
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Whoa! That's a stretch.

Besides, the principle of "vote for me and I'll give you something you want".. borrowed funding or no... always has had a following.
 
Quote from Scataphagos:

Whoa! That's a stretch.

Besides, the principle of "vote for me and I'll give you something you want".. borrowed funding or no... always has had a following.
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Jeez, that's the whole point!

In a government that can't borrow money they have nothing to give.
 
Quote from 1prometheus:

I will take u up on that Mr. Reardon.


-I hate how big government has led to the pussification of society on almost every level.

-The security state. We are supposedly fighting "them" yet the government is turning inwards and directing its focus on, "us". I hate to see Americans cowered in line at the Airport, people humiliated, etc.

-I am concerned about the future of genuine free speech. Hate crime laws mean the elite will define what is "hate".

-It bothers me that every time I get into a modern car, it starts beeping at me to put my seatbelt on (I might be driving 2 bocks at 12mph). It is like having a government bureaucrat over your shoulder back seat driving.

-I hate the PC that drives the, "truths we can't say". For example the population that commits most all the gun violence is small and easily defined, yet they pretend it is a general problem and pass laws to regulate all gun owners.



-Health is 95% a healthy lifestyle, diet, and genetics. Yet, we cower in fear about, "access to healthcare." Folks, we are all going to die. Our forefathers risked their lives just to step foot on this continent. They tamed a wilderness and built a civilization. Yet all to many modern men go around with a fanny pack on, wimpering about healthcare!

-Folks, when I was a kid we still played with .22's M-80's. We rode bikes with no (Gasp!) helmets, and this was not all that long ago.

One thing I used to read and question was the notion some of our founding father had: A free nation "requires a people capable of self-governance." More and more I question if perhaps that is the real problem: The majority of Americans are now incapable (perhaps in terms of genuine aptitude) of self-governance.

There is a smaller percent that merely desires to live free and is willing to assume risk. We were once a majority, but now we are the minority, and that is why we have the State that we do.
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great post.. I remember as a kid riding bike throwing an M-80 into a parking garage in coconut grove....oh boy, think of the BOOM magnified a 1000 fold.. the city would shut down for a week and 5 miles would be cornered off if this happened now...:D
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Wiesman, I need to explain the root of the increasingly sharp animosity/hostility you're feeling from people in the private sector:

As a fed-joint corrections officer, you are keeping dangerous perverts, murderers and other scum away from society where they belong. Not only that, but you are doing it at a steep price to your own mental health: I strongly believe that working in a prison is 'mind-poison', as you can't help but absorb some of the negative energy/karma that surrounds you there every day. (And I speak from experience on that one.)

So why would a guy like me instinctively see you as an <b>enemy</b> instead of a friend, when you say you work in federal law enforcement? (To be even more precise, I actually see you as a gang member in the largest criminal street gang in the world... The U.S. federal government.) <b>Drug prohibition and the 500,000 'drug-criminal' political prisoners</b> are the main reason, even though I know you didn't write the laws- you merely enforce them. I'm assuming (because you said the inmates physically fought with you) that you <b>don't</b> work in an FPC (minimum security joint) where an overwhelming segment of the inmate population is comprised of harmless people who don't belong in the system to begin with. But still... would I be wrong to assume that many of the inmates that you help to keep away from their families are harmless prohibition violators who really don't need to be locked up in the first place?
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Even the harmful prohibition violators, such as the crackheads who robs a convenience store, would not be engaged in such nefarious activity were they not paying egregiously inflated black market prices for drugs which can be produced very cheaply. If that $10 rock were 10 cents, which it would be in a market where it weren't illegal or overly regulated, the addicts could peacefully kill themselves all day - the majority of burglaries and home invasions come from drug addicts trying to get their fix.

Then you have all the drug-related murders, turf wars...
 
Quote from NY0BScalper:

Even the harmful prohibition violators, such as the crackheads who robs a convenience store, would not be engaged in such nefarious activity were they not paying egregiously inflated black market prices for drugs which can be produced very cheaply. If that $10 rock were 10 cents, which it would be in a market where it weren't illegal or overly regulated, the addicts could peacefully kill themselves all day - the majority of burglaries and home invasions come from drug addicts trying to get their fix.

Then you have all the drug-related murders, turf wars...
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now imagine the money saved on drug wars and incarceration being used to teach/rehabs...
 
Look guys, the United States of America is toast. Might as well give me money whle its still around :)

I don't disagree that the fed is evil and they're doing a lot of sht I don't agree with. ANd I don't plan on working here forever.

Truthfully, in 2011 I expect to earn more daytrading than working. While the pension and benefits is nice, I expec to be gone for good in less than 5 years and trading on my own. . And I'm not doing it with less than a million in the bank. Maybe i'm living in fantasy land, but thats my goal.

So u can bash me all u want. I'm done with this discussion.
 
Quote from wiesman02:

Look guys, the United States of America is toast. Might as well give me money whle its still around :)

I don't disagree that the fed is evil and they're doing a lot of sht I don't agree with. ANd I don't plan on working here forever.

Truthfully, in 2011 I expect to earn more daytrading than working. While the pension and benefits is nice, I expec to be gone for good in less than 5 years and trading on my own. . And I'm not doing it with less than a million in the bank. Maybe i'm living in fantasy land, but thats my goal.

So u can bash me all u want. I'm done with this discussion.
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Yeah baby, that's how I like it! Let the feds hang their heads in shame wherever they go. Demoralize them at every opportunity, and divide and conquer! Make as many as possible defect back to the people. The weaker the enemy, the freer the people!
 
I wanted to say that most of the federal employees I've encountered over the years seemed to be highly competent, with the exception, naturally, of the folks in the New Orleans immigration office. But then I thought about all those folks at the airports x-raying dicks, and strip searching teenagers with backpacks and pierced eyebrows, and I had to reconsider-- they are federal employee aren't they? I suppose, in fairness, that even if I was poorly educated and not very bright, i'd still expect to be well-compensated if you wanted me to empty hand bags, steal Swiss Army knives, and look at dick xrays every day, all damn day long.
 
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