Government Posts Largest Monthly Deficit On Record

[lindq]

Quote from Trader666:

The year is 2011, not 1911. If you knew any history you'd understand the contributions unions have made toward bankrupting companies and governments.

Oh? Is that anything like the contributions that companies and governments have made to bankrupting unions and their employees?

Without some type of collective bargaining in place, employers will always compress wages as low as they can, particularly during a period of high unemployment.

Pure greed in the form of capitalism needs to have some counterbalance, and unions, while not perfect, help to perform that function.

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from Trader666:

What a crock. You're the one who can't relate to working people. Time to stop bleeding them dry to pay overinflated pay and benefits to these people.

Wisconsin one of 41 states where public workers earn more
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-03-01-1Apublicworkers01_ST_N.htm

I responded to lucrum on that, see above. I'm aware of the extremes from both sides. If I were arbiter there would be compromises but my ulterior motive wouldn't be to jettison
their union altogether. Unfortunately the common human nature is not to be trusted to be forthright with anything like good faith, thats evident from both camps, and Boehner already declared his intentions on compromise. The right only pretends to be advocates for taxpayers. It provides convenient cover for them to stowaway their real constituency in with the middle class.
What would have a teacher earn to start or police and fire?

 

[Trader666]

Wake up from your dream and look around. The country's broke. Unions will continue to decline out of necessity, like it or not.

Quote from lindq:

Oh? Is that anything like the contributions that companies and governments have made to bankrupting unions and their employees?

Without some type of collective bargaining in place, employers will always compress wages as low as they can, particularly during a period of high unemployment.

Pure greed in the form of capitalism needs to have some counterbalance, and unions, while not perfect, help to perform that function.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from Trader666:

Wake up from your dream and look around. The country's broke. Unions will continue to decline out of necessity, like it or not.

As they should. Unions are mostly about legalized extortion.

 

[Trader666]

But it was OK when Odumbo said the "enemy" can come along for the ride but will have to ride in the back, right?

Quote from omegapoint:

Boehner already declared his intentions on compromise

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from Lucrum:

I'm somewhat familiar with history. http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/trianglefire/

And yes there is a place for unions. Problem is most unions TODAY have gone way beyond that place. Now they mostly demand pay and benefits they don't earn and or their employer can't afford. They unnecessarily drive up costs making companies less competitive or even putting them out of business. Union members are like tenured teachers no matter how much they screw up they're impossible to get rid of, that's not right. There are also many many labor and safety regulations in place now that didn't exist 100 years ago. IMO unions have largely outlived their usefulness.

We almost agree. I view the problem as intractable in the extreme and it has its roots in capitalism. Try not to go Pavlovs Dog on me here with socialism. It boils down to where, we're past Henry Ford and the effort to pay an employee a wage where that employee could actually afford the product he contributed in crafting. By extension I'd take that to include living wage vs a typical household budget in the 21st century. Its becoming increasingly hard to employ Americans when there are alternatives overseas that will make it possible for ME to get by better. Even when you take into consideration educating oneself
to become of use, at the outside, resumes and applications from the overqualified are filling up inboxes in hr depts. to which I know from a vp of hr at a med. sz. ins. co. ...in the hundreds.
I could go on but my impression is that the musical chairs song
is coming to an end. At this pt. a stalled car will have to have its carburator primed as the economy can only be resusitated by
investing in it and that means spending and stimulating investment with the expectation of
its returning a premium. Yea, Keynsian economics since I don't have much faith in the 'market' and that invisible hand thing.
I like to think theres a plan with an actual thought out system
of how to proceed into the future. And think about the infrastructure problems. Fixing them isn't optional. And what if an asteroid threatens Earth ...then what ( jokin!) Finally, we let go of those workers, if they really are just standing around while the one guy does all the shoveling ...or at least tell them WTF.

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from Trader666:

But it was OK when Odumbo said the "enemy" can come along for the ride but will have to ride in the back, right?

Am I Obama? Can you cool it with all the name calling at EVERYTHING. If you do I promise to never bring up the 666 thing again.
Though I would like to know why. It doesn't have anything to do with the number the S&P bounced off in the crash does it?

 

[Trader666]

I called Obama "Odumbo" so now you're trying to control my posts? Fuck off and put me on ignore if you have a problem with what I write.

Quote from omegapoint:

Can you cool it with all the name calling at EVERYTHING.

 

[pspr]

Quote from Trader666:

But it was OK when Odumbo said the "enemy" can come along for the ride but will have to ride in the back, right?

Another racist remark from Ovomit that should have created such an uproar that he should have been driven from office! If any white politician had said that they would no longer be in office.

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