Got Milk?

trader482 said:
84.5 grams of protein in a 52 ounce bottle! I've been drinking a bottle a day for a few weeks with no problems. Protein powder not needed. :thumbsup:

https://fairlife.com/

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Be very careful...Milk doesn't list all the ingredients. It has a lot of phosphorus and many milk companies do not list it as an ingredient.

Too much phosphorus can kill or cause injury to your body if its consistently too high in your body.

In fact, low fact milk has even more phosphorus. I was hospitalized last fall with the pneumonia and went into a coma. It was during some blood test they discover I had other problems I was not aware of but that made my condition worst...high phosphorus and high potassium even though I had low sodium.

I too use to drink a lot of milk (3 - 5 glasses per day) and one of the things the doctors discover was that it weaken my heart via phosphorous at a dangerously high level. When I came out of my coma...the doctors put me on a diet that was very restrictive...low phosphorous and low potassium to prevent me from going into "cardiac arrest" in my weaken condition.

I now am only allowed to drink no more than 4oz of milk per day and not other dairy products for a minimum of one year. Restriction will most likely be removed at the end of the year.

Too much of a good thing can be harmful.
 
Overnight said:
@Baron Hmm. Have you tried Lactaid? Would be curious to know if it was the lactase causing your issue, or something else in the regular milk you used to consume.
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No, I never tried that. After I stopped drinking cow milk, I started drinking Almond milk as a way to bridge the gap and have something to put in my morning coffee. I eventually moved to drinking coffee black so I quit the almond milk too.

But hey, like I said, removing milk from my diet was something that I personally benefitted from. The milk that @trader482 found gives him no problems at all so he should stick with it. It's all about personal experimentation.
 
wrbtrader said:
Be very careful...Milk doesn't list all the ingredients. It has a lot of phosphorus and many milk companies do not list it as an ingredient.

Too much phosphorus can kill or cause injury to your body if its consistently too high in your body.

In fact, low fact milk has even more phosphorus. I was hospitalized last fall with the pneumonia and went into a coma. It was during some blood test they discover I had other problems I was not aware of but that made my condition worst...high phosphorus and high potassium even though I had low sodium.

I too use to drink a lot of milk (3 - 5 glasses per day) and one of the things the doctors discover was that it weaken my heart via phosphorous at a dangerously high level. When I came out of my coma...the doctors put me on a diet that was very restrictive...low phosphorous and low potassium to prevent me from going into "cardiac arrest" in my weaken condition.

I now am only allowed to drink no more than 4oz of milk per day and not other dairy products for a minimum of one year. Restriction will most likely be removed at the end of the year.

Too much of a good thing can be harmful.
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Thanks for the warning and I hope you feel better.

Although I haven't researched it thoroughly, I'm under the impression that the Calcium : Phophorus ratio in your diet is more important than the absolute amounts of either. At a minimum, the ratio should be 1:1 but higher is better ( 1.5-2 Ca: 1Ph ).
Skim milk(per cup) - calcium=306mg/phosphorus=247 which gives a 1.24:1 ratio.
Fairlife milk is even better - Ca=370/ph=247( I emailed the company to get phosphorus content.) This gives a 1.5:1 ratio.

Also calcium binds with phosphorus and excretes it, which is another good reason to keep the ratio high.

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Milk, it does a body good!
 
trader482 said:
Thanks for the warning and I hope you feel better.

Although I haven't researched it thoroughly, I'm under the impression that the Calcium : Phophorus ratio in your diet is more important than the absolute amounts of either. At a minimum, the ratio should be 1:1 but higher is better ( 1.5-2 Ca: 1Ph ).
Skim milk(per cup) - calcium=306mg/phosphorus=247 which gives a 1.24:1 ratio.
Fairlife milk is even better - Ca=370/ph=247( I emailed the company to get phosphorus content.) This gives a 1.5:1 ratio.

Also calcium binds with phosphorus and excretes it, which is another good reason to keep the ratio high.

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I believe milk has like 225 mg of phosphorous along with having about 340 mg of potassium per glass of milk. That's a lot when drinking multiple glasses per day but they aren't typically listed as ingredients in milk although some companies do list them.

With all the millions of people with heart problems or kidney problems...I'm surprise its not a mandatory listing of all the ingredients in milk.

So now I ignore milk companies that don't list how much phosphorous or potassium is in their products...same with cheeze, yogurt products too.

People that have heart problems, kidney problems should take the time to learn about the risks associated with high levels of phosphorous or potassium.

I love milk...too bad I can't drink several glasses per day for a year :(
 
wrbtrader said:
Be very careful...Milk doesn't list all the ingredients. It has a lot of phosphorus and many milk companies do not list it as an ingredient.
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trader482 said:
Fairlife milk is even better - Ca=370/ph=247( I emailed the company to get phosphorus content.) This gives a 1.5:1 ratio.
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Thanks for giving me the idea to dig a little bit deeper on this. Here is Fairlife's response to my question on phosphorus content in their product:


"Thanks so much for reaching out; we REALLY appreciate your taking the time to get in touch with us.

All our products have higher phosphorus content than regular milks due to their higher protein content. The major protein in milk called casein is also called a phosphoprotein due its higher levels of phosphorus. Phosphorus is an important structural component of casein protein. Fairlife milks have 50-60% more phosphorus than ordinary milk."

At best, the CA : PH ratio is 1:1 which is ok by itself but not so much in the context of the total diet. One of the main reasons for drinking so much milk was that the excess calcium to phosphorus would balance the other high phosphorus foods that I would eat during the day. As I'm sure you know, phosphorus is pretty much in everything you eat. Here's a phosphorus content list:

https://www.pittsburgh.va.gov/dialysis/docs/phosphoruscontentinfoods.pdf

Time to re-evaluate and refine.
 
stevegee58 said:
I'm all for protein like OP. Western diets contain way too much carbs.

The thing that concerns me about milk is how processed it's become lately. I mean, look at the bottle pictured. Fat-free, ultra-filtered, lactose-free. Imagine the heavy duty industrial processes required to achieve those 3 features.
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Yeah, i agree. Best milk to drink for muscle growth is the full fat version which is the least processed. If you are dieting then sure, move down the ranks to semi skimmed, then skimmed, then finally this mega processed stuff.
 
Visaria said:
Yeah, i agree. Best milk to drink for muscle growth is the full fat version which is the least processed. If you are dieting then sure, move down the ranks to semi skimmed, then skimmed, then finally this mega processed stuff.
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I stopped consuming all dairy products about 7 years ago with only positive results. I lost weight, my allergies were alleviated, my skin got clearer etc. There are some great dairy substitutes out there if you want to give it a try. I have to confess I still have one Huckleberry milkshake every summer. It's just too damn good.

At least Dr. Mark Hyman looks healthy:
 
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