GOP supports full Amensty for illegals.

The 3.4 trillion dollar gov't we have today is not being spent on free trade.

It's being spent on bureaucrats who regulate. That's my point, not yours bro.

If you can't see that, we have nothing further to talk about. bye

You said Governments that support free trade have low overhead. Again, pure delusion.

America is the worlds biggest participant of free trade and we have the largest Government on earth.

Again, your schoolroom theory doesn't match up with real world facts. That's the point.

We're in agreement taxes and regulation must be slashed across the board. But it doesn't follow exporting our industrial base to China will somehow create jobs here. That's nonsense.
 
This is a pretty decent debate. I wish we could do more of that here and less name calling.

Free trade is one of what seems like an increasing number of issues where the normal liberal/conservative split is not so obvious. We are seeing more issues where the split is between ordinary Americans and the political/media/CEO class.

This dynamic is somewhat of a problem for republicans though because a lot of their base are passionate about issues. There is a lot more room to piss off the base and have them stay home. Democrats are voting things like skin color or the union label and are more or less immune to issues , unless they are going to be drafted into the army or something.
 
You said Governments that support free trade have low overhead. Again, pure delusion.

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I never said anything of the sort. I said that the gov't workers we have today aren't doing "nothing". They are regulating. And if we have a centrally planned economy, there will only be more of them at an even higher cost.

In the infamous words of Bob Dole to George Bush, stop lying about my record.
 
I never said anything of the sort. I said that the gov't workers we have today aren't doing "nothing". They are regulating. And if we have a centrally planned economy, there will only be more of them at an even higher cost.

In the infamous words of Bob Dole to George Bush, stop lying about my record.

Well, I agree with that.
 
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February 12, 2014



With all the smirking on the left about their electoral victories, it's important to remember that Democrats haven't won the hearts and minds of the American people. They changed the people. If you pour vinegar into a bottle of wine, the wine didn't turn, you poured vinegar into it. Similarly, liberals changed no minds. They added millions of new liberal voters through immigration.

So why are Republicans like Trey Gowdy, Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan and John Boehner making fools of themselves in order to spot the Democrats three more touchdowns?

The House Republicans' "Standards for Immigration Reform," for example, contains this fat, honking nonsense: "One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents."

As the kids say: WTF?

That may be a pleasant-sounding sentiment, but it has absolutely nothing to do with our country's history. Not the first thing. Did Republicans really think they could pawn off the idea that our forefathers fought and died at Valley Forge so that illegal aliens wouldn't have to live in the shadows?

Yeah, it was a long shot. We didn't know you guys had read the Constitution. We'll be quiet now.

Apart from the fact that protecting children from the mistakes of their parents has not the slightest connection with the nation's founding, it's a ridiculous concept.

Yes, children suffer when their parents break the law. Also when their parents get divorced, become alcoholics, don't read to them at night, feed them junk food and take them to Justin Bieber concerts. None of that is the child's fault.

But it's not the country's fault either.

If we have to excuse lawbreaking so as not to "punish the children," there's no end to the crimes that have to be forgiven -- insider trading, theft, rape, murder and so on.


How do you think kids feel when their father has to "live in the shadows" because he committed a rape? The kids did nothing wrong, but they have to go to bed every night wondering: Is tomorrow the day Dad is going to be caught?

How do you function like that? And how awful it must be when their dad is sent to prison! How do you think Jack Abramoff's kids felt? What about Martha Stewart's kid?

Why not just forgive the crimes of all perpetrators who have kids? At a minimum, shouldn't we allow criminals to defer their sentences until their kids turn 26 so they can stay on Dad's health insurance? Or at least until their kids have gone to college? Chris Christie can give them in-state tuition!

"It's not the kids' fault" proves too much. People can get away with anything if they're willing to use their children as trump cards to avoid the force of law.

The once-respected Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., compared illegal aliens brought here as kids to children who steal a grape or scream in a restaurant:

"When children wander into neighborhood yards, we don't call that trespassing. When children cry and yell and scream at restaurants or on airplanes, we don't call that a violation of the noise ordinance. When children eat a grape at the grocery store or eat a piece of candy waiting in line before Mom or Dad pays for it, we don't have them arrested for petty larceny."

Yes, but in those cases, both the child and his parents had a right to be where they were -- the yard, restaurant or grocery store -- when the child suddenly behaved like a child. With illegal aliens, the parents are more like gypsies teaching their kids to beg and pick pockets. The parents forced the kids into being lawbreakers.

Similarly, Palestinians use their children to commit acts of terrorism against Israel, so that when Israel responds, the parents can wail, "They're bombing children!"

(I thought only liberals couldn't do analogies.)

Americans are under no moral obligation to admit huge numbers of people who have no particular right to be here just because the Democrats need 30 million new voters.

Why shouldn't Republicans oppose mass immigration on the grounds that immigrants will vote Democratic? The only reason the Democrats want mass immigration is because they know immigrants will vote Democratic. (Also for the cheap nannies and gardeners.)

Immigration is the "single issue" that decides every other issue. If this country were the same demographically today as it was in 1980, Romney would have won a bigger victory in 2012 than Reagan did against Carter. And we wouldn't have to hear about soccer all the time.

We're living in a different country now, and I can't recall moving! Had I wanted to live in Japan, I could have moved there. Had I had wanted to live in Mexico, Pakistan or Chechnya -- I could have moved to those places, too.

(Although maybe not. They all have stricter immigration policies than we do.)

I'm sure they're lovely, but I wanted to live in America. Now I can't. At the current rate of immigration, it won't exist anymore. The Democrats couldn't win elections there, so they changed it.

With the repeal of Obamacare in the balance, I have argued that it's insane for Republicans to waste resources primarying their own guys in 2014. Even the most heinous Republican can usually argue, "Would you really rather have a Democrat in this seat?"

But any Republican who supports mass immigration -- whether with Marco Rubio's amnesty bill, or idiotic arguments about "not punishing the children" -- has forfeited that claim. If the country is going to be ruined anyway, it could not matter less who wins any particular seat on this Titanic.

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This is another in the seemingly endless list o fissues where democrats seek to apply a one way rachet to policy. They advance extreme demands, eg full amnesty and citizenship for illegals, but compromise, this time, for half a loaf, perhaps letting illegals stay here and giving their kids citizenship. Then a year or so later they're back demanding more, with the former compromise a floor for further concessions from our side.

It's the same with the anti-gun agenda. They start with a ridiculous policy, ban all guns, then offer to compromise. Down the slippery slope we go. Of course, republicans are so timid and afraid of being criticized for standing by their principles, they are only too happy to sell us out. After all, they came to congress to get things done. Reach across the aisle, etc. How about democrats reach across the aisle and cut the cap gains rate?

It's disappointing that a normally sensible guy like Trey Gowdy is spouting this nonsense about "not punishing the children." Who exactly does he think is paying for those illegals' kids education, health care, incarceration, welfare , etc? His constituents, that's who. How about a little concern about not punishing us?
 
The fact that the dems did not get single payer... shows me it really has not been dems outsmarting repubs. Its really just been a show with both sides being owned by the money people.

The Congress show is just like Federal Reserve Board Meetings. Its all scripted and the outcome is known ahead of time. The only threat to their control is the tea party.

The money guys decide what crony policy they want next. then they get the PR machine turned up. Then they get the media to start championing there issues... since they own the media.

Then they get their politicians to put on a show. In the end they usually get what they pay for. However the tea party is starting to drive them nuts in the house. They probably can not believe they can not get amnesty through when they have Boehner and Ryan destroying their careers for them. (they know they already have the democrats and the Senate.


This is another in the seemingly endless list o fissues where democrats seek to apply a one way rachet to policy. They advance extreme demands, eg full amnesty and citizenship for illegals, but compromise, this time, for half a loaf, perhaps letting illegals stay here and giving their kids citizenship. Then a year or so later they're back demanding more, with the former compromise a floor for further concessions from our side.

It's the same with the anti-gun agenda. They start with a ridiculous policy, ban all guns, then offer to compromise. Down the slippery slope we go. Of course, republicans are so timid and afraid of being criticized for standing by their principles, they are only too happy to sell us out. After all, they came to congress to get things done. Reach across the aisle, etc. How about democrats reach across the aisle and cut the cap gains rate?

It's disappointing that a normally sensible guy like Trey Gowdy is spouting this nonsense about "not punishing the children." Who exactly does he think is paying for those illegals' kids education, health care, incarceration, welfare , etc? His constituents, that's who. How about a little concern about not punishing us?
 
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