GOP Rep: If American people dont vote our way, States may have to secede

Quote from hermit:

Did you even read what the quoted text said, its 'their' money too and they as a group are the highest wage earners. You are completely ignoring what was actually quoted and simply ranting ad hominem.
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Yes, as 'wage earners' working for wages, I would not be surprised if they make more than the average worker as most Liberals have government jobs that pay 2/3rds more than the private sector, or they are tax evading socialist celebrities, yet the demographic of the non-liberal business owners and other true wealth creators are the highest earners by twice the income. I'm sure Libs won't mind paying a bit higher in taxes because the highest rates they screech for will not hit them.
 
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Yes, as 'wage earners' working for wages, I would not be surprised if they make more than the average worker as most Liberals have government jobs that pay 2/3rds more than the private sector, or they are tax evading socialist celebrities, yet the demographic of the non-liberal business owners and other true wealth creators are the highest earners by twice the income. I'm sure Libs won't mind paying a bit higher in taxes because the highest rates they screech for will not hit them.
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Yea, it has nothing to do with the fact that they are the most educated group, since we all know education and wages can be no way related. The only reason they can only have government jobs is since private sector jobs require you to have failed high school, I am following your logic now. :D
 
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Yea, it has nothing to do with the fact that they are the most educated group, since we all know education and wages can be no way related. The only reason they can only have government jobs is since private sector jobs require you to have failed high school, I am following your logic now. :D
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You are confusing education when it is actually brainwashing, indoctrination, peer pressure to join and follow the cult! You Kool-Aid drinkers crack me up!
 
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You are confusing education when it is actually brainwashing, indoctrination, peer pressure to join and follow the cult! You Kool-Aid drinkers crack me up!
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Is this why the self proclaimed leaders of the Conservative movement like Limbaugh,Beck etc are college dropouts?
 
Quote from FightTheFuture:

I agree that they "overwhelmingly favor social programs" using other people's wealth stolen from the demographics they hate, like the higher income business owner demographic.

The Liberal demographic are parasitic wage manipulators hence their higher income level compared to some other demographics, but not nearly as high as business owners and other wealth creators. Government worker parasites, known as the Liberals, make 64% more than the average psychologically normal worker demographic.

The caring Liberal said to me, "Hey, I know how to help people. Tax the wealth creators more to "help" the poor and I can get a cut of that with a huge pay raise. The tax increase won't hit me none, I'm not in that tax bracket. Plus I get huge tax-free benefits. I get my cut of the wealth distribution because I care about others. I give of myself by distributing wealth of others. It's my job. You can't fire me, I work for the government." True story!
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Great post. The Washngton, DC metro area has among the highest average incomes in the country, yet produces almost nothing of any value. Whether it's overpaid bureaucrats, lobbyists, attorneys or the media, their income is almost entirely parasitic. If they only acted as a revenue drain, it might be more tolerable, but they also produce, impose aqnd enforce the very policies that are killing the rest of the country.
 
List of states with highest budget deficits.

Cali
nj
nevada
rhode island
arizona
NY
delaware
florida
DC
alabama
mass
minn
virgina
ill
maryland





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http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/site/?q=node/7803

By Robert Cruckshank

Well, well, well. For years now we've been hearing that California's budget problems exist because we "overspend." Others claim it's because our taxes are so high that companies and jobs move to low-tax states. Texas is often held out by those making these claims as an example of what California should emulate - a low-tax, low-services, low-spending state that supposedly has government figured out.

Except they don't. California faces a budget deficit of about $18 billion. And how much is Texas's budget deficit?

That's right. $18 billion:

But as the state's budget shortfall widens-to as much as $18 billion, or about 20% of the next two-year budget, according to the state legislature's latest analysis released earlier this month-critics are complaining that Mr. Perry's policies have left the state with little room to reduce spending.

"There is no way that they will be able to come up with $18 billion in cuts," said Eva DeLuna Castro, a senior budget analyst at the Center for Public Policy Priorities, a nonprofit that advocates for low-income Texans. "They would have to shut down our prison system."

Suddenly Texas doesn't look like such a great model for California. They don't have an income tax, yet their revenues have collapsed just as California's have. Texas spends a lot less per resident, with a much smaller level of public services, yet they are still facing a budget deficit about the size of our own.

This news should put to an end once and for all the lie that California's budget deficit stems from overspending, or that we should cut our income taxes to "stabilize" revenues, or that we should follow Texas's model of low services.

Instead what Texas shows us is that the real problem - as in Greece - is that taxes are too low, especially on the higher end of the income bracket. Higher taxes help balance the budget, sustain the services we need to attract and retain companies.

Think that last part is nonsense? Just ask two California companies that are moving to Colorado:

As for quality of life, "there's less traffic, less stress, the people are more grounded here. My kids aren't going to school where all the kids drive Porsches and Mercedes," he said. "I should have moved sooner."...

One final thought from Hansen: "It's not that we hated Orange County ... We love it. But here we're not spending our time sitting on a freeway. There are trails right by our office."

The OC Register article wants to make it sound like Colorado's lower taxes were the key driver. But it sure doesn't sound that way from the quotes. Traffic is a truly massive economic problem here in California, causing lost time and lost money. Had these business owners not had to deal with traffic, because we'd spent our money building alternatives, they may well have decided to stay, since they clearly enjoyed life in the OC.

Most decisions made by companies about where to locate their businesses don't revolve around taxes. Cost of living, ability to recruit and retain skilled employees, quality of local schools, infrastructure, and other similar issues tend to dominate the list. Since California has systematically starved those services of revenue, it's becoming harder to create the jobs that will produce recovery.

What we're seeing is the "Texas is better" model proven to be the lie that it is. California should look to the model of Pat Brown, who understood that investment in our state's services, schools and infrastructure produced prosperity, for the way out of our budget and economic crisis.
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List of states with highest budget deficits.

Cali
nj
nevada
rhode island
arizona
NY
delaware
florida
DC
alabama
mass
minn
virgina
ill
maryland
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Source?
 
No idea what the source of that list is, but regardless:

Cali - run by a Republican, and regularly switches between the parties.
Arizona - pretty much a perpetually Republican state, but they're still in trouble.
NJ - our governors have mostly been Republicans. Florio and Corzine were both one-termers. So, most of the budget mess belongs to them; Christie Whitman was the one who decided borrowing against the state pension fund was a kewl idea, and now we're stuck with the consequences of that crazy crap decision, to take just one example.
Florida - Jeb Bush, and now Crist. Republican all the way.

So, I'm not sure what point that list has.
 
ca has been run by a democrat legislature since the beginning of it demise from a well run state.

don't even think of blaming our problems on a arnold. He was ineffective but he is not the problem.

I looked at that liberals are educated poll. It's conclusions are highly suspect.

It has some really odd suspect categories such as upbeats? Those upbeats looked quite educated. How much would you like to bet most of those upbeats were not liberals and were carved into a new class to dilute the non liberal side?

That poll was garbage.
 
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