GOP Now Trying to Fix Obamacare Instead of Repeal

[exGOPer]

House Republican leaders are planning to bring up three changes to Obamacare next week -- but unlike dozens of prior bills, these are more minor measures that are not expected to be controversial. All three bills essentially fix drafting errors, perceived oversights or unintended consequences in the president's Affordable Care Act. They have bipartisan support and are scheduled to be considered under a suspension of the rules, which limits debate and requires support from two-thirds of House members -- a signal that leaders of both parties do not expect any heated debate

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/10/ted...republicans_are_preparing_to_improve_the_law/

 

[Ricter]

Looks like tea party obstructionism is in full retreat. That it's an election year is no doubt merely coincidental.

 

[jem]

this is the cronies trying to fix things for their democrat and estabishment lap dogs.
the dems were on the verge of a full revolt and would have tried to fix this sick law on their own as Hillary gave them the opening.
So the cronies snapped the leash on their establishment Republican doggies to give the dems cover.

There is no retreat from the tea party and the establishment did not really put up any money against them.

 

[gwb-trading]

There are many things wrong with the Obamacare law IMO. I do not expect it rolled back, but I do hope that a number of reasonable fixes can be applied to the worse parts of it.

I actually believe, after all the dead-lock in Congress over the past two years, that it is good the parties can come together to fix drafting errors, perceived oversights or unintended consequences in the Affordable Care Act. Hopefully at some point they can fix many other parts of Obamacare - including the tax penalties clause.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Obamacare cannot be fixed because it is flawed in its fundamental design.

It is an employer mandate, when we should have separated employment and health insurance. What does one have to do with the other? It is an historical anomaly that creates many problems.

Obamacare attempts to hide the cost of subsidizing democrat voting groups. If some people are going to get their health care paid for by others, it should be done up front via the tax and spend process, not through the backdoor through mandated cross subsidies.

Obamacare specifies what insurers must cover. Customers are too dumb to know what is best for them apparently. the result? Many lost policies they were perfectly happy with and were forced to buy coverage for stuff they would never need.

We were actually lectured by idiot pols that this happened because insurers were offering "lousy" policies and that " no one would buy them" so the inurers dropped them. One moron congressman from NJ said this was an example of the free market in operation.

The object of obamacare was never to improve health insurance. Its purpose was twofold. One, to provide freebies to Obama supporters and force republicans to pay for them. And two, to get the federal government deeply involved in health care. From that control comes the ability to do things like grant waivers to favored groups, eg unions, and extort money from groups who want favors, eg big companies.

 

[exGOPer]

Obamacare cannot be fixed because it is flawed in its fundamental design.

It is an employer mandate, when we should have separated employment and health insurance. What does one have to do with the other? It is an historical anomaly that creates many problems.

Obamacare attempts to hide the cost of subsidizing democrat voting groups. If some people are going to get their health care paid for by others, it should be done up front via the tax and spend process, not through the backdoor through mandated cross subsidies.

Obamacare specifies what insurers must cover. Customers are too dumb to know what is best for them apparently. the result? Many lost policies they were perfectly happy with and were forced to buy coverage for stuff they would never need.

We were actually lectured by idiot pols that this happened because insurers were offering "lousy" policies and that " no one would buy them" so the inurers dropped them. One moron congressman from NJ said this was an example of the free market in operation.

The object of obamacare was never to improve health insurance. Its purpose was twofold. One, to provide freebies to Obama supporters and force republicans to pay for them. And two, to get the federal government deeply involved in health care. From that control comes the ability to do things like grant waivers to favored groups, eg unions, and extort money from groups who want favors, eg big companies.

Ah yes, freebies to Obama supporters paid for by Republicans.

The delusions continue.

Republicans moochers mooching and then complaining about mooching.



"Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...cked-by-republicans-with-voters-on-rolls.html


Three Kentucky counties — Owsley, McCreary and Wolfe — are the only places that rely on government programs such as Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid for more than half of income.

The results of the 2012 presidential elections by county, per AP:

Owsley: Mitt Romney 83%; Barack Obama 17.9%
McCreary: Mitt Romney 80.0%; Barack Obama 18.7%
Wolfe: Mitt Romney 60.3%; Barack Obama 38.1%

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/12/three-counties-in-kentucky-151076.html

 

[exGOPer]

This can't be, unskew this fact quickly!

 

[piezoe]

Obamacare ... is flawed in its fundamental design.

It is an employer mandate, when we should have separated employment and health insurance. What does one have to do with the other? It is an historical anomaly that creates many problems.
...

Thank you. One of he great steps forward that could have been taken, but wasn't, was to use the ACA as the opportunity to get rid of employer linked health care once and for all. Everyones' health care should be portable.

The other major flaw in my mind was not repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act in conjunction with passing the ACA so that insurers would come under Dept of Commerce and Justice Dept anti-competitive regs. Then insurers could no longer act in restraint of trade. Then you'd have highly competitive exchanges in all States and they could all be exactly the same regardless of what state you lived in. That would greatly simplify.

 

[piezoe]

Ah yes, freebies to Obama supporters paid for by Republicans.

The delusions continue.

Republicans moochers mooching and then complaining about mooching.



"Among the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled between 2007 and 2011, Republican Mitt Romney won 213 of them in last year’s presidential election, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. Kentucky’s Owsley County, which backed Romney with 81 percent of its vote, has the largest proportion of food stamp recipients among those that he carried."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...cked-by-republicans-with-voters-on-rolls.html


Three Kentucky counties — Owsley, McCreary and Wolfe — are the only places that rely on government programs such as Social Security, food stamps and Medicaid for more than half of income.

The results of the 2012 presidential elections by county, per AP:

Owsley: Mitt Romney 83%; Barack Obama 17.9%
McCreary: Mitt Romney 80.0%; Barack Obama 18.7%
Wolfe: Mitt Romney 60.3%; Barack Obama 38.1%

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/12/three-counties-in-kentucky-151076.html

Does this data suggests that it is Republican policies that create "moochers"? I would think you might forfeit your right to complain about "moochers" if you are one of those creating them.

 

[DHOHHI]

Obamacare cannot be fixed because it is flawed in its fundamental design.

It is an employer mandate, when we should have separated employment and health insurance. What does one have to do with the other? It is an historical anomaly that creates many problems.

Obamacare attempts to hide the cost of subsidizing democrat voting groups. If some people are going to get their health care paid for by others, it should be done up front via the tax and spend process, not through the backdoor through mandated cross subsidies.

Obamacare specifies what insurers must cover. Customers are too dumb to know what is best for them apparently. the result? Many lost policies they were perfectly happy with and were forced to buy coverage for stuff they would never need.

We were actually lectured by idiot pols that this happened because insurers were offering "lousy" policies and that " no one would buy them" so the inurers dropped them. One moron congressman from NJ said this was an example of the free market in operation.

The object of obamacare was never to improve health insurance. Its purpose was twofold. One, to provide freebies to Obama supporters and force republicans to pay for them. And two, to get the federal government deeply involved in health care. From that control comes the ability to do things like grant waivers to favored groups, eg unions, and extort money from groups who want favors, eg big companies.

The majority of people are clueless given (1) many get insurance through employer (2) the uninsured by and large don't even know what's going on and many are unaware of the requirement to have health insurance (many in this country don't read a newspaper, don't watch the news and are totally out to lunch) (3) don't care so long as they get their health insurance free (Medicaid) or highly subsidized (over 80% of those signing up for Odumbocare).

So who is up in arms about the mandated coverages? Self employed, small business owners, early retirees and HEALTHY people!! I fall into 2 of the above categories. Odumbo is too damn dumb to know what I want (and need) as far as health insurance goes. The 10 required coverages might as well have been selected by a random number generator. Three of those 10 my wife and I can not ever use ... it's IMPOSSIBLE to utilize them. So why the hell would any intelligent person buy a shitty product that does not meet their needs? If you want a sedan to drive how would you feel if you were told "no, you must buy a Cadillac Escalade. Does it make sense to waste $$$$ on a product that is overkill? Odumbo .. WAKE UP!! One size does NOT fit all. If even that portion of Odumbocare can be changed that will be a start in modifying this disastrous fiasco.