We indeed do all pay but nowhere equally. The rich sportsmen get their trophy tarts into bed but which doesn't usually last very long.In the end we all pay for it regardless of the relationship style
Gold diggers?
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Thanks man, you sound like a balanced person. May I ask if you were married young(while still struggling)? If you were to marry or become a long term partner with a woman, how did you tell her that you are doing well? The best line I can come up with is "I enjoy a considerable degree of freedom, I do what I like to do, not what I have to do", etc. Afterwards, I also test them to see how they respond to the idea of giving away big chunk of money (+-30%) every 10 years (I have reason to believe I will continue to do well, and you will reach your "cap" anyway). A lot of them failed miserably. A few gold diggers are an annoyance, too many of them would make one a little depressed.
Goes without saying overly conspicuous spending attracts the very wrong kind of women AND repel some high quality ones. What you do after finding a good woman is really personal preference. I have witnessed some women who are just "unspoilable", envy those guys. I find a minimalist life style efficient, good for mind clarity, and keeping some deplorable human beings away.
Thanks for your good luck btw. Just got the number of a girl working for a NGO. She told me while camping, the best way to keep roaches away is to starve them of what they feed on, and they tend to feed on the corpses of their own. "They recycle " she said
To answer your questions yes married very young, we both worked at that time. It's helped me to see my own flaws and also to see red flags and avoid certain people. I learned that my greatest asset were not the things that I were driven to achieve but I already had, they were my family particularly my mother and sister.
I'm only saying this from my prospective and what I plan to do when I'm ready to meet people again I plan to just tell them that I trade for a living, simple as that nothing to hide. It's hard to not worry about what others may think about you at first but being honest from the beginning is extremely important. If she jumps at the opportunity to inquire what you make and has this look on her face $_$ you pretty much got your answer and can tease her back with "I use a margin account would you bail me out if it went to negative?" Just kidding...(it would be fun to watch the reaction tho) But on a serious note if someone cared they would have the immediate reaction that reflects that concern and she will inquire about what you actually do daily and not just about the $$ portion. They will ask questions that are of more substance. They will be curious about all that you do because they care for you. It takes time to really get to know someone and you will have to spend time with them in order to know.
Sorry to say your testing of giving away 30% cannot work even if that person is honest and even if they are they cannot be completely sure as to how they'll act until it actually happens. That goes with most things even with ourselves, we cannot predicts what we'll even do when it happens but we can evaluate with what data we have on hand and estimate the worst case scenario and determine if it's worth it. We all want the same thing, to find someone that is willing to weather both the storms and share good times with. Heck you can be on the other spectrum and have a partner for a decade and realize that you can weather the storms but cannot share the good times as they become more and more aggressive/bitter as you try to accumulate the wealth is even more painful. Yes people do change under circumstances, or they simply reveal themselves. But some habits that are formed cannot be changed easily such as a lack of respect of others and self.
I'm not sure how intuitive you are, but you can usually sense it if she's "that type" Never fall for the type that always needs to be rescued especially if they need to be saved all the time, this goes for both genders. But regardless of your intuitions you should always check for the basics such as their relationship with family/friends, how she spends her time and work ethics. If she does not work or only working the minimal amount without future plans I'd question that and investigate it. It's very important that they think and actually plan about the future otherwise forget about it.
I believe you will not encounter much trouble as you are thinking about this ahead and you seem cautious to avoid such people anyway. I do agree with the camper girl's analogy.
Take care!
I'm only saying this from my prospective and what I plan to do when I'm ready to meet people again I plan to just tell them that I trade for a living, simple as that nothing to hide. It's hard to not worry about what others may think about you at first but being honest from the beginning is extremely important. If she jumps at the opportunity to inquire what you make and has this look on her face $_$ you pretty much got your answer and can tease her back with "I use a margin account would you bail me out if it went to negative?" Just kidding...(it would be fun to watch the reaction tho) But on a serious note if someone cared they would have the immediate reaction that reflects that concern and she will inquire about what you actually do daily and not just about the $$ portion. They will ask questions that are of more substance. They will be curious about all that you do because they care for you. It takes time to really get to know someone and you will have to spend time with them in order to know.
Sorry to say your testing of giving away 30% cannot work even if that person is honest and even if they are they cannot be completely sure as to how they'll act until it actually happens. That goes with most things even with ourselves, we cannot predicts what we'll even do when it happens but we can evaluate with what data we have on hand and estimate the worst case scenario and determine if it's worth it. We all want the same thing, to find someone that is willing to weather both the storms and share good times with. Heck you can be on the other spectrum and have a partner for a decade and realize that you can weather the storms but cannot share the good times as they become more and more aggressive/bitter as you try to accumulate the wealth is even more painful. Yes people do change under circumstances, or they simply reveal themselves. But some habits that are formed cannot be changed easily such as a lack of respect of others and self.
I'm not sure how intuitive you are, but you can usually sense it if she's "that type" Never fall for the type that always needs to be rescued especially if they need to be saved all the time, this goes for both genders. But regardless of your intuitions you should always check for the basics such as their relationship with family/friends, how she spends her time and work ethics. If she does not work or only working the minimal amount without future plans I'd question that and investigate it. It's very important that they think and actually plan about the future otherwise forget about it.
I believe you will not encounter much trouble as you are thinking about this ahead and you seem cautious to avoid such people anyway. I do agree with the camper girl's analogy.
Take care!
Your NAV doesn't have to be in 8 figure range or above to get their attention, you only have to be notably better off than the women. While we guys are busy winning pissing contests, many women are observing pecking orders of social groups, reading magazines, books, forums, attending seminars, even doing meditations ! to improve their skills at trapping the next rich (soon much poorer) bachelors if not family guys. They are case studying Evita, Wendy Murdoch (I strongly suspect she studied the former many times), even interning for divorce lawyers, befriending clueless tech guys/unattractive females working in hedge funds as their ladders.
The really good ones study their marks like professional con artists. They pay (with money or else) PIs, lawyers, accountants to track invisible millionaires(where there's much less competition), many of them successful business owners, traders/investors/quants (especially). There are still many not so tainted ones out there, but with the condition as it is, more women are marrying for money.
A lot of analytical minds tend to be loners and don't have much experience in the social intelligence department. Just the garden variety of gold diggers could do them in (at the very worst moment). Their special forces are for the billionaires.
What pisses me off is even my best female friends (went to kindergarten/grammer school together, both married with kids) reluctant to give me pointers, as if there's some kind of sorority blood oath to help the fellow social climbers...
People change. When you find a woman worth keeping, not ever taking her to North America would be an excellent idea.
I suppose women inevitably size you up for your ability to provide, the tricky part is, to what degree and if it's the only motivation. It's especially tricky if she's born into lower income brackets. My problem is women would eventually find out what I do, given my life style (7 pieces of furniture including my bed in a 4 bedroom apartment, travel around the world with only one piece of carry on luggage), if I just lie with a very low ball number, they become anxious, if I show them the whole picture, at that point I still wouldn't know what kind of women they are and would be wondering from that point on. My current strategy is to be as vague as possible, and if she's pissed off because of it, she's probably not worth keeping around.
I personally wouldn't want to sleep with a gold digger, trick or no trick, their energy would rub off on you.
I was looking for a screening mechanism... guess there's no better ideas?
If we can share enough extreme cases and study them, the very best scenarios and the very worst, and look for patterns, there should be some results.
I found this on reddit. Mark Cuban's advice:
- I always hear Mark Cubans interview in my head. I loved when he was single and dating, he said he could always find the gold diggers. Cuban said every gold digger said she wanted to travel or start a charity. Howard changed the subject super fast.
Thanks for the tips! Couldn't find the reddit post though, only some related links. (maybe google/reddit didn't agree with him)
I'm not quite sure if what Cuban said holds true though... I met tons of female backpackers who are cool, too bad they like to get stoned too... Wouldn't be surprised though, in his circle he's bound to run into shadier characters... Problem with staying a bachelor as a billionaire. Maybe ask her HOW she likes to travel instead? Owned gulfstream or economy?
Totally don't get the charity part... There are some who'd just give token amount, and some who go out there and risk malaria or even kidnapping/rape. Use a "giver" identity to overcompensate? Cleaver but how do you know if she's not for real?
If one day I do stop making profits, maybe I'll amount to something a lot more productive to society
I'm not quite sure if what Cuban said holds true though... I met tons of female backpackers who are cool, too bad they like to get stoned too...
Wouldn't be surprised though, in his circle he's bound to run into shadier characters... Problem with staying a bachelor as a billionaire. Maybe ask her HOW she likes to travel instead? Owned gulfstream or economy?Totally don't get the charity part... There are some who'd just give token amount, and some who go out there and risk malaria or even kidnapping/rape. Use a "giver" identity to overcompensate? Cleaver but how do you know if she's not for real?
If one day I do stop making profits, maybe I'll amount to something a lot more productive to society
Doesn't matter who she is. I think I get the drift somehow. On my part, habits such as being highly critical, rehearsing worst case scenarios aren't exactly recipe for attracting self assured girls.
Turns out there's a similar post on wallstreetoisis. Among discussions about gold diggers, an ad offering financial modeling courses pops up: "Our models repeatedly proved this method to be most profitable and low-risk..."
Time to leave ground zero
Her name was Christine Keeler of the UK.
The Conservative Govt. of Harold MacMillan fell.
Oh Humpy they leak like a sieve anyway... It's totally unfairly to pin it on that woman.