god told me to post this here

You have no argument.

You simply define your god to be that which is undefinable.

The same as Sagans mythical dragon in the garage.

You follow the pattern precisely. Every time I point out
a problem, you simply redefine the problem away.

Sorry.... but there simply is no difference between such
a god and a made up story.

A god I cannot see, touch, feel, sense, observe, verify,
test, compare, or measure in any way consistently is
no different than a figment of your imagination.


Better re-read this:

http://www.users.qwest.net/~jcosta3/article_dragon.htm

and then explain to us why your god is any different than the dragon.


peace

axeman


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Your proof stands as it relates to anything that is material and relative, but doesn't relate to supreme God.

Two people can have faith in contradictory things, but God is beyond contradiction. Contradiction is a condition of relativity, not absoluteness.

Those who do not practice faith in supreme God have an intellectual issue, not a faith issue.

Right tool, right job, right application.
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A god I cannot see, touch, feel, sense, observe, verify,
test, compare, or measure in any way consistently is
no different than a figment of your imagination.
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Apparently you have a concept of God that requires proof on a material and physical level.

No wonder you failed at faith, you were worshiping a material God based on your mental conception of God as a material being.

If you had worshiped God the supreme who is beyond the material with full faith, full confidence, and rejection of intellectual doubt you would have had different results.

Right tool, right job, right application.
 
A god "I" cannot see, touch, feel, sense, observe, verify,
test, compare, or measure in any way consistently is
no different than a figment of your imagination.
axeman
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This is the classic atheist definition of god. Of course he doesn't exist because in this framework he is a straw god.
 
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A god "I" cannot see, touch, feel, sense, observe, verify,
test, compare, or measure in any way consistently is
no different than a figment of your imagination.
axeman
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This is the classic atheist definition of god. Of course he doesn't exist because in this framework he is a straw god.
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Here is the conundrum for the atheist.

Pose the question: "Is there reality beyond the 5 senses and intellect?"

If they say no, you can then say, "How do you know?"

"I know becaues my senses and intellect told me so."

How do they know the input from the senses and intellect is ultimate reality?

They would then say, "Because I am limited to the use of my senses anything that is beyond the senses cannot be known to me."

If you would offer them another avenue of knowing that was not sensory or intellectual in nature, they would respond "I would have to confirm it with my senses and intellect first."

If you ask them if it were possible that there is a reality beyond the senses they would have to answer truthfully, "I don't know, but until I could measure that which is beyond my senses with my senses I would not have proof."

Kind of silly isn't it. You set up a conditional situation that disallows any progress.

Imagine our world if explorers would have said, "I will only travel as far as my eye can see." Or if science had limited its progress only on the basis of that which is known.

Here we have people who have limited faculties, placing themselves in a position never to extend beyond their limited faculties.

I suppose it is a nice warm controlled and secure box, if that is what someone wants from life.

Discussions of love, sincerity, trust, faith, humor, beauty, God, soul, morality, become meaningless because none of these internal subjective realities can be confirmed externally and objectively.

Fortunately man is more than just the intellect, as we all know, but even knowing this, some choose to deny it.

Imagine a world with only sense and intellect.

No art, no humor, and no joy.
 
Imagine our world if explorers would have said, "I will only travel as far as my eye can see." Or if science had limited its progress only on the basis of that which is known.

Here we have people who have limited faculties, placing themselves in a position never to extend beyond their limited faculties.
ARogueTrader
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By setting limits to their logic they repeat the "flat world" mentality. That logic had to change as more inputs were discovered much like arbitrarily limiting the logic to find God now. Go back and read atheists posts from previous threads and see the pattern of not knowing all the criteria around any cited event and then issuing a proclamation or hypothesis without having even the slightest amount of possible input. ie. Giraffe births, bus accidents, etc.
 
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Imagine our world if explorers would have said, "I will only travel as far as my eye can see." Or if science had limited its progress only on the basis of that which is known.

Here we have people who have limited faculties, placing themselves in a position never to extend beyond their limited faculties.
ARogueTrader
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By setting limits to their logic they repeat the "flat world" mentality. That logic had to change as more inputs were discovered much like arbitrarily limiting the logic to find God now. Go back and read atheists posts from previous threads and see the pattern of not knowing all the criteria around any cited event and then issuing a proclamation or hypothesis without having even the slightest amount of possible input. ie. Giraffe births, bus accidents, etc.
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Imagine someone who is offered some new food from a different country.

Imagine the person being offered the food saying, "I will not eat it until I know I will like the taste of it."

How will he know before he tastes it? He could observe other people, and imagine that some like the taste and others don't.

What does he do?

You never know till you try, and until you try it properly, you will never know why you failed.
 
Just before I got to your message I was about to post the exact same question to GG. Nice work Mr. B.


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Do you even trade anymore?
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