god told me to post this here

[axeman]

Yes yes yes your right.

Turn off your intellect.

Turn off your senses.

And then all will be obvious.


Your version of faith is just about the silliest mythology
I have ever heard of.



peace

axeman

Quote from ARogueTrader:



You assumed the intellect and senses were the right tool to evaluate absolute reality....and you used the intellect to form this assumption. You then used the tool of logic to prove itself. Circular.

Round and round the relativistic wheel you go.

Whatever.

 

[ARogueTrader]

Quote from axeman:

Yes yes yes your right.

Turn off your intellect.

Turn off your senses.

And then all will be obvious.


Your version of faith is just about the silliest mythology
I have ever heard of.



peace

axeman

You sarcasm and smug pronouncement is an emotional reaction.

You provide proof that man is more than intellect and senses, yet in your vanity you attempt to elevate limited senses and limited relativistic logic to a position where absolute conclusions are drawn.

Limited intelligence=limited results.

What could be sillier than a limited being making pronouncements on the concept and viability of unlimited intelligence?

Sort of like watcing little kids dress up as adults and pretend to understand.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from ARogueTrader:



You are defining faith as simply believing in the existence of something, I have a different definition.

Someone could believe in the existence of God, but not look to God for love, happiness, joy, intelligence, etc.

Someone could believe that God exists, but still look to the material world for knowledge, happiness, etc. There is a difference between intellectual faith, and emotional faith.

My definition of faith, as it relates to God, is that someone believes God to be the source of infinite joy, intelligence, wisdom, truth, etc. On that basis they begin to develop emotional faith.

If someone really believed that God is the only truth, the only real lasting happiness, they would naturally seek that out, as it is human nature to want more and more and more, to want perfection. God by definition is perfection.

Believing that God is the source of perfection, leads to seeking out to find God, and finding God is not through the material senses and intellect, but rather though a loving relationship. A child may not understand his mother, but a child can love his mother. Love and trust are the unifying powers.

If you really believed that God was your true happiness, you would not look to the world and its limited and temporal joys as the source of happiness....you would look to God. If you really believed that God exists, you would look harder and harder to find God.

if you really believed that you truly belonged to God, and not to this world, you would no longer be emotionally attached to the outcomes in this world in the same way. You would live for God and the love He can give, not the fleeting pleasures and relative truths of this world.

So faith becomes a practice of deepening understanding of man's true relationship to what is real and what is true. God is real and true, because God is everlasting...where this world is constantly changing, relative and temporary.

God wants to give his children the best gift, but when they are looking to the world instead of Him, they are not in a position to receive it.

Okay, but you're leaving out the most important details of your belief system. Without any Scripture and w/o any direct contact with God, how do you know all the basic questions of life: what God wants? how should you live your life? what is faith? what is love? etc. etc. etc.

Are you just going on gut feel? That's the part I don't get....

 

[ARogueTrader]

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:



Okay, but you're leaving out the most important details of your belief system. Without any Scripture and w/o any supernatural contact with God, how do you know all the basic questions of life: what God wants? how should you live your life? what is faith? what is love? etc. etc. etc.

Are you just going on gut feel? That's the part I don't get....

Parents provide the basic nutrients to a child so that he can grow. Without this, the child will not survive.

When the child's mind develops enough so that he can think for himself, he can begin to ask the kind of questions you did.

Life is a great teacher, it teaches us that this world is limited. Our own experience shows us that we are never fully satisfied with the experiences in this world, we always want more. We want perfection by nature, we seek perfection in an imperfect world. So we live in an imperfect world, yet are driven to find perfection.

If someone understands this truth, then they begin to seek out where to find perfection.

God wants his children to have the most they can have, which is His love. Simply ask for that love.

Start with God first, sincerly, from the bottom of your heart ask Him these questions, He will guide you.

This is not an intellectual exercise or game. It is looking to the very depths of you being to find the reality of your existence, and coming to the truth of knowing something is missing.

Seek and ye shall find.

 

[axeman]

"You sarcasm and smug pronouncement is an emotional reaction. "

Yeah it is... im busy laughing real hard at the absurd
ideas you post which you attempt to show as valid in any form


"What could be sillier than a limited being making pronouncements on the concept and viability of unlimited intelligence?"

Thats easy. Your idea that you expect anyone to BELIEVE
your silly notion that such an unlimited intelligence exists
without a single shred of evidence


"Sort of like watcing little kids dress up as adults and pretend to understand. "

Better look in a mirror.
Only kids have such fairty tale fantasies about special magical
internal powers which give ONLY THEM knowledge of super
magical beings in other immaterial realms. LMAO

Way off the deep end you go.

I'll go back to my emotion of laughing my ass off now


peace

axeman

 

[axeman]

I think he has made it quite clear that he acts soley on gut feel.
Thats the whole problem. He can believe anything he wants.
HE knows all because HE is the only one who can correctly
use his magical powers (Faith) LOL

Oh well... it's been fun. Think ill go count my MATERIAL 2Gs that
I made while responding to this sillyness this morning


peace

axeman

Quote from ShoeshineBoy:



Okay, but you're leaving out the most important details of your belief system. Without any Scripture and w/o any direct contact with God, how do you know all the basic questions of life: what God wants? how should you live your life? what is faith? what is love? etc. etc. etc.

Are you just going on gut feel? That's the part I don't get....

 

[ARogueTrader]

Quote from axeman:

"You sarcasm and smug pronouncement is an emotional reaction. "

Yeah it is... im busy laughing real hard at the absurd
ideas you post which you attempt to show as valid in any form


"What could be sillier than a limited being making pronouncements on the concept and viability of unlimited intelligence?"

Thats easy. Your idea that you expect anyone to BELIEVE
your silly notion that such an unlimited intelligence exists
without a single shred of evidence


"Sort of like watcing little kids dress up as adults and pretend to understand. "

Better look in a mirror.
Only kids have such fairty tale fantasies about special magical
internal powers which give ONLY THEM knowledge of super
magical beings in other immaterial realms. LMAO

Way off the deep end you go.

I'll go back to my emotion of laughing my ass off now


peace

axeman

You failed to provide evidence that you didn't fail at the practice of faith.

You have failed to show that your method is the correct method in which to discover ultimate reality.

Now you attempt to minimize these important aspects by using ad hominem attacks, something that you routinely bring up about others to support your sense of superiority when it serves you. That smacks of inconsistency, doesn't it?

So much for logic and reason on your part.

It is an observable fact that people who feel inferior internally........often have a need to attempt to demonstrate superiority externally.

Telling the world how much money you made is just more evidence of an inferiority complex.

Your simplistic tricks don't work. The more you try, the more you reveal your immaturity and mean spiritedness. Your behavior continues to conform to the syndrome of the failed theist, who refuses to address the underlying unresolved issues. Your sarcasm and bile is yet another example of passive aggressive behavior, and is consistent with a narcissistic approach to life.

Where you long for a debate in which you think you can win, my preference would be to have a clinical psychologist perform a full evaluation of your behavior to paint a picture of a wounded child who continues to have problems with authority figures, or authority concepts.

Next step will be to make some public pronouncement of placing me on ignore.....just as you did before, another example of inconsistency.

You may believe your mind to be logical and consistent, but there is much inconsistency and insecurity underneath the surface.

 

[axeman]

LOL!


"You failed to provide evidence that you didn't fail at the practice of faith."

apparently, you can't even read.
Gee...how many times do I have to admit this before you
will let it go?

How many times do I have to show how irrelevant this is?

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... try turning on that
intellect which you reject, and maybe you will finally realize
that the ONLY reason I reject your ridiculous faith mythology
is BECAUSE of its GLARING inconsistencies, and your complete
LACK of proof that it is anything beyond mere fiction.

As for your pop-psychology psycho babble.... nothing more
but more poisoning the well. You apparently have no clue what this means.

All kneel before the master psychologist and get this...

THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH who can CORRECTLY use faith.

Everyone ELSE on earth who uses faith and comes to a DIFFERENT
conclusion than ART is WRONG, because he is OBVIOUSLY
not practicing faith properly if it contradicts HIS faith.

LMAOOO.... could you BE any more pompous Dr. Omniscient???

Hey... maybe you could set up a 1-800 Mrs Cleo style line, and allow
all these other BELIEVERS who cant possibly use faith as
correctly as you, to talk to god? A direct line of sorts.
You could make millions...LOL


Your position has simply gotten even TOO ridiculous for me to consider.

Ok...now for the next installment of Dr Pop-psychology.
We await eagerly. LOL. Not only do you think you have the
ONLY magic link to your supreme mythical god, now you
think your a psychologist!! LMAOOOOO.....


I'll let Shoeshine challenge your mythology.
Even other THINKING theists can see right through your
incredible unsupported claims and fictions.

Oh boo hoo... I have to go now... my WOUNDED internal child
cant take your abuse any more... LMAOOOOOOOOO!
OMG... I cant stop laughing!


peace

axeman

Quote from ARogueTrader:



You failed to provide evidence that you didn't fail at the practice of faith.

You have failed to show that your method is the correct method in which to discover ultimate reality.

Now you attempt to minimize these important aspects by using ad hominem attacks, something that you routinely bring up about others to support your sense of superiority when it serves you. That smacks of inconsistency, doesn't it?

So much for logic and reason on your part.

It is an observable fact that people who feel inferior internally........often have a need to attempt to demonstrate superiority externally.

Telling the world how much money you made is just more evidence of an inferiority complex.

Your simplistic tricks don't work. The more you try, the more you reveal your immaturity and mean spiritedness. Your behavior continues to conform to the syndrome of the failed theist, who refuses to address the underlying unresolved issues. Your sarcasm and bile is yet another example of passive aggressive behavior, and is consistent with a narcissistic approach to life.

Where you long for a debate in which you think you can win, my preference would be to have a clinical psychologist perform a full evaluation of your behavior to paint a picture of a wounded child who continues to have problems with authority figures, or authority concepts.

Next step will be to make some public pronouncement of placing me on ignore.....just as you did before, another example of inconsistency.

You may believe your mind to be logical and consistent, but there is much inconsistency and insecurity underneath the surface.

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

Quote from ARogueTrader:



Parents provide the basic nutrients to a child so that he can grow. Without this, the child will not survive.

When the child's mind develops enough so that he can think for himself, he can begin to ask the kind of questions you did.

Life is a great teacher, it teaches us that this world is limited. Our own experience shows us that we are never fully satisfied with the experiences in this world, we always want more. We want perfection by nature, we seek perfection in an imperfect world. So we live in an imperfect world, yet are driven to find perfection.

If someone understands this truth, then they begin to seek out where to find perfection.

God wants his children to have the most they can have, which is His love. Simply ask for that love.

Start with God first, sincerly, from the bottom of your heart ask Him these questions, He will guide you.

This is not an intellectual exercise or game. It is looking to the very depths of you being to find the reality of your existence, and coming to the truth of knowing something is missing.

Seek and ye shall find.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a better way to word your position is "My faith is in God directly and in MY understanding of God and whatever MY particular opinion may be."

That's fine - it's extremely common in America to make up your own religion. I know a lot of people who take a little of this and a little of that and come up with something they feel comfortable with.

Just realize that you are gambling that God has not already codified who He is and that you are in a position to uniquely discern the mind of God…

 

[ShoeshineBoy]

There is of course another huge assumption in your belief system: that God would go to the trouble of creating a universe, finely tuning it, placing life on it and then leave that life completely on its own w only vague levels of contact from Him.

Of course, there are many intelligent people that believe this, but even so I've never understood this sort of thinking. It almost portrays God as the "Architect" in the Matrix, a distant and stern scientist who just wants to see what unfolds on the globe before Him...