God moves in malicious ways

Quote from Ricter:

Can be used that way (or not), yes. But your point helps explain the necessity for the "bad behavior here sends you to Hell instead" provision.
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Which is veering toward another at least inferior form of morality, if not another wholly immoral one.
Morality because of a threat is hardly morality at all.
 
Quote from stu:

Which is veering toward another at least inferior form of morality, if not another wholly immoral one.
Morality because of a threat is hardly morality at all.
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Actually, the fear of pain and death (whatever their cause) is the only reason for morality.
 
Quote from stu:

Which is veering toward another at least inferior form of morality, if not another wholly immoral one.
Morality because of a threat is hardly morality at all.
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So says the guy who believes it's all due to randomness.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Actually, the fear of pain and death (whatever their cause) is the only reason for morality.
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Moral standards stand distinct from suffering pain and death. That's the point of them, it’s how things like that can be deemed immoral, and the threat of those three things in the name of morality is more aligned to terrorism, not a "greater" morality.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

interesting considering the fact that if the question "does god exist based on the evidence" came before the court they would have to rule that the answer is no.
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Well then..... How about the guy who won a large injury settlement. Insurance co could not prove he was faking the injury. Afterwards the lawyers said something to the effect, they will "watch" him the rest of his life to disprove the injury. The man replied as soon as I leave this courtroom I'm going to Lourdes and you will witness a miracle. I will be cured.
 
Morality is relative, no?

One must understand that to get to the bottom of religion, I think.

Warrior cultures thru history, Vikings, Zulu, Mongols, Spartans, had a different moral culture than we may have today.
 
Establishing fundamental clear moral standards, is the morality.
To then merely excuse the very same moral standards, and only because of arbitrary religious contradictions as Ricter suggests, where an imaginary God concept is allowed to trivially ignore them to present a narrative in the style of a terrorist's threat, is not a description of "greater" morality.
Adhering to moral standards IS morality. Not adhering to them is NOT "greater" morality, it is the very definition of immorality.

I thank you.
 
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