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How Pentecostalism is reshaping America and the world
With 600 million followers, the evangelical born-again Christian movement is deep-pocketed and tech-savvy - and it has big ambitions to reform the society in which we live.

Julie HareEducation editor Jan 29, 2022 https://www.afr.com/world/north-ame...shaping-america-and-the-world-20220126-p59rfp

Scott Morrison may be Australia’s second most famous Pentecostal after his mentor, Hillsong founder Brian Houston, but he is far from the norm. Those who subscribe to the youthful, feel-good, glam-rock, self-help teachings of the Pentecostal church tend not to be white, 50-something and male.

“The Filipina who cleans your house is more your average Pentecostal,” says Elle Hardy, author of a new book on the global rise of the Pentecostal church.

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Pentecostal churches are on track to become the world’s dominant faith. AFP

With 600 million followers globally, the Pentecostal movement is shredding traditional religions. In Brazil, which was once considered the most Catholic country on Earth, over 30 per cent of the population now describe themselves as evangelicals, most of whom are Pentecostals.

It’s predicted that by 2032 they will outnumber those who identify as Catholics. Globally, the number of practising Pentecostals is predicted to rise to 1 billion by 2050, that’s one in eight people on the planet.

“In just over a century since its founding, Pentecostalism has grown from a spontaneous outpouring of faith at a small church in downtown Los Angeles to become possibly the fastest-growing religion on Earth,” writes Elle Hardy in her book Beyond Belief: How Pentecostal Christianity is taking over the world.

Islam and Hinduism, because of their high birth rates, are “the great competitors in the global race for souls”, says Hardy, but no single denomination is “getting people in the tent quite like the Pentecostals”.

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Scott Morrison at his Horizon Church during the 2019 election campaign. AAP

Pentecostalism is an umbrella name for a range of brands and denominations. According to Hardy, they go by the name of Presbyterians in Korea, evangelicos in Latin America and non-denominational in Australia, although Hillsong is by far the best-known.

“While it’s ever more difficult to identify a Pentecostal church by what it might call itself, this is very much in keeping with a faith that has, from its first days, been distinguished by actions rather than rigid doctrine,” writes Hardy.

‘A self-help course from Hillsong’
Scott Morrison, for the record, is a member of the Horizon Church in the Sydney suburb of Sutherland, not Hillsong as is popularly thought. And despite social media posts that have been doing the rounds this week, there are not 13 Pentecostals in his cabinet. In fact, the only other signed-up Pentecostal is his close ally and colleague Stuart Robert, who is a member of Metro Church on the Gold Coast.

What binds the different brands under the Pentecostal umbrella is the unifying belief that the church doesn’t communicate with God on its followers’ behalf but empowers them to feel the Spirit of God within themselves.

“Pentecostalism is very good at the uplift,” says Hardy. “In the old days you might have gone to a priest to confess your sins. Now, you’re buying a self-help course from Hillsong or Bethel [in California] and doing it at home.”

With 600 million followers and rising and the sound of big money from merchandise, music sales and tithing cha-chinging through bank accounts, it is little wonder that some factions of the Pentecostal movement have sights set on global domination.

This is especially true in the US, where something called the Seven Mountain Mandate has made serious headway into the Republican Party.

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Apostolic Pentecostals celebrate Easter in a field in Soweto, South Africa. AP

“A plan by a shadowy group of ‘prophets’ and ‘apostles’ to take over the world sounds like the stuff of a bad airport novel, but it is one of the most important ideas in the Pentecostal movement today,” writes Hardy.

“The premise of 7M, as it’s often called, is that the seven pillars of society have been taken over by demonic powers. Believers have to reclaim control of these ‘mountains’ so that Christ can return to rule over the Earth.”

The seven mountains are education, religion, family, business, government and the military, arts and entertainment, and the media.

“So what drives global Pentecostalism today is still the inevitable Judgement Day, only now it’s imbued with the idea that believers can work towards it, and in anticipation of it, they can bring it about through their actions here on Earth,” writes Hardy.

‘Given up on democracy’
Indeed, Pentecostals are increasingly “concerned with the here and now”, says Hardy, and that secular society, or the elites, are taking over the world and they need to fight back.

“Reshaping America and the world so that Christ can return just so happens to look a lot like gaining power in the here and now,” writes Hardy.

And the 7M movement provides “supernatural justification” for the “politics of the Christian right coming to terms with the diminishment of white Christians as a proportion of the US and world population”.

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Members of the New York Hillsong church perform a Beatles-themed concert. NYT

Hardy makes the point that Christian Dominionism is about seeing a religiously run America that conforms to Pentecostal values.

“It’s pretty clear that a lot on the religious right in America have given up on democracy, they know they have lost the battle, and you hear instead the line that the US is a republic, not a democracy,” Hardy says.

“It’s about conquering and victory. That’s where the seven mountains come in because if you can control the seven pillars of society, you can transform society.”

War against equality
Donald Trump was a gift to the Pentecostalists. His rise, along with Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro, Hungary’s Viktor Orban and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines, lies in no small part to the rise of Pentecostals. The movement has a penchant for populist, strong-arm leaders with a flair for entertaining the masses, on one hand, while simultaneously scorning the cultural Marxists with their post-modern notions of gay marriage, gender identity, racial and sexual equality.

A 2019 US study found that 53 per cent of Pentecostals agreed that Trump had been anointed by God.

“Long a shelter for the marginalised and the dispossessed, in an age of gross inequality, Pentecostalism is becoming synonymous with an anti-liberal worldview,” writes Hardy.

Along with a raft of other bad actors, Hardy says it comes as little surprise that the “Stop the Steal” storming of the Capitol in Washington DC on January 6, 2021 involved 7M soldiers.

As one pastor who spoke to the crowd that day put it: “We are not just in a culture war, we are in a kingdom war.” At the same time, a Pentecostal magazine put up a Facebook post that said: “There are but two parties right now, traitors and patriots.”
“What happened on January 6 wasn’t only important for its symbolic value, but also in highlighting the value of the whole show – Trump prophecies, deep-state conspiracies, political adversaries possessed by demons – as entertainment,” writes Hardy.

“In the crushing modernity of the Third Pentecostal wave, faith is being gamified. The Seven Mountains Mandate is now part of a cinematic, right-wing Facebook universe, where people can post themselves into a frenzy about good and evil, grand plots to take over the world, and a group of believers banding together to fight back.”

The Pentecostal idea of faith is transactional, says Hardy. These people have been chosen to have the Spirit move through them and they have to use that Spirit.

“They have to work for the ultimate promise to be fulfilled,” she writes. “And when you are called to war, passive faith is no longer an option.”
@themickey I don't agree with all that goes on in the Pentecostal movement, but I know some of them, maybe a lot of them, are saved and trying to follow God.

I have a Pentecostal prayer buddy who puts up with me, probably thinks I am less Spirit-filled since I don't believe the sign gifts are meant for today and also puts up with me because I don't believe in Christians dominating the world.

I believe the world will become a bigger mess, then Jesus physically returns and nobody will ever question the existence of God again, thus there will be world domination, but it doesn't come about by Christians overtaking it. :D
 
But how can you know (judge) that?
I'm not using the word 'judge' in a demeaning way.
But how can any human determine who is & isnt saved?
I can't determine if anyone is saved, not even people in my own church. I CAN, however, determine if the criteria for salvation as presented in the Bible is what a person is saying they have met. What is that criteria? I already posted it a lot. It's simple, repentant faith in Jesus, coming to Him for reconciliation based on what He accomplished by His death, burial and resurrection.

For example, if someone says they've been born again and I ask them what that means and they say they took a psychedelic drug and some monster appeared and pronounced, "You are now born again," I can determine that this does not meet the biblical description.

The only reason I dared to say previously that you have not been born again, is because if you had then you would have been "sealed" with the Holy Spirit which results in some experiential knowledge and revelation of Jesus on a personal level (not talking about visible). Now, it might not have been fair or wise or even right for me to say such a thing, because I really don't know your heart. I can only say that if you had really come to know Him in a personal way, that I can't see how you could say the things about Him that you have said. And I said that in kind of a desperate attempt to help you see that if you haven't actually had God revealing Himself to you through the conviction of the Holy Spirit based on Bible verses, for lack of a better phrase, coming alive to you, then maybe you might reconsider whether or not you have met the Savior and if not, then go meet HIM, and do it right now, ASAP! Actually, it's not as easy as saying I will go meet the Savior. Everyone has a different experience that brings them to true faith in Jesus, but I know that for myself personally, I grew in that faith as I carefully studied Hebrews and saw the sufficiency of what Jesus did at the cross, that all sin was covered, and for forever. And it's not like a one--time and done experience. Salvation, of course is a one-time experience, but growing in faith and understanding is life-long and still very much centered on Jesus' work on the cross. "Preach the gospel to yourself everyday" is a famous saying and when I began to ponder on the truths of the gospel, my faith grew, and I could "see" my faith. Not sure you'll know what I mean by that. Faith comes by listening carefully to the Bible, it does NOT come though sensationalism, which is why I do fear that many in churches may be swept up by their emotions and not actually have come to Christ for personal salvation. But I am not the judge of that.
Wouldn't that be like a fish determining which other fish are best in the frypan?
Yeah, it's not a good idea to judge someone's salvation, unless there is clear deviation from what the Bible is clearly teaching.

And pleeeeease, no more "the bible says...."
I didn't quote the bible. :D But I did ramble on and on...:D:D
 
A favourite expression of christians is; "oh he/she wasn't a christian, just a professing christian" when said transgressor decides to pull pin on the church.

Obviously these christian people are judge and jury that transgressors can never have been christians, just professing types.

I'd go so far and say all christians have good intentions but some just either wake up or others decide they cant be bothered with it anymore.

If christians were really empowered by God then you would see miraculous results, but what I think we see is people empowered by good values like western democracy and fairness.
 
I've repeatedly mentioned that all Christians are not alike. Yet we still see attempts to lump them into one basket, with no evidence. Some give atheist a deceptive characterization.

A favourite expression of christians is; "oh he/she wasn't a christian, just a professing christian" when said transgressor decides to pull pin on the church.
Source?
Obviously these christian people are judge and jury that transgressors can never have been christians, just professing types.
Source?
I'd go so far and say all christians have good intentions but some just either wake up or others decide they cant be bothered with it anymore.
Perhaps and not surprising as 'broad is the road to destruction.'
If christians were really empowered by God then you would see miraculous results, ...
Source? And define miraculous results.
 
A favourite expression of christians is; "oh he/she wasn't a christian, just a professing christian" when said transgressor decides to pull pin on the church.

Obviously these christian people are judge and jury that transgressors can never have been christians, just professing types.

I'd go so far and say all christians have good intentions but some just either wake up or others decide they cant be bothered with it anymore.

If christians were really empowered by God then you would see miraculous results, but what I think we see is people empowered by good values like western democracy and fairness.
My understanding of the Bible is that once a person is saved, they will remain saved, no matter what sins they commit.

There are verses that seem to say that one who is truly saved will not be able to continue long in extreme sin, because of the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit tries to bring the unrepentant Christian back to fellowship with Himself. I can list verses if anyone wants to read them, but it seems like nobody likes long lists of verses. :)

It's not just Christians today that came up with the expression that "oh he/she wasn't a Christian, just a professing Christian," as you said, but that is found in Scripture.

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
1 John 2:19
Some Christians think you can lose your salvation by forsaking God. This verse would seem to say that people fall away because they actually weren't truly belonging to God in the first place.

There's not a lot of super clear teaching in the Bible that explains just how far a believer can go in sin or denying God.

This verse from Peter would make it seem like a believer could actually go pretty far into sin...otherwise why would he warn them not to?

If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler.
1 Peter 4:15
We all know that David committed adultery and murder. It seemed that during that time, he was not experiencing fellowship with God, yet it took the prophet Nathan to go to him to confront him about his sin before David actually repented, and that was about 9 months after the the fact.

Notice the misery David felt when he was not in fellowship with God after the adultery and Bathsheba (this psalm was written in repentance afterward).

3 When I kept silent,
my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night
your hand was heavy on me;
my strength was sapped
as in the heat of summer.
5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you
and did not cover up my iniquity.
I said, “I will confess
my transgressions to the Lord.”
And you forgave
the guilt of my sin.
Psalm 32​

Some Christians believe that when Christians fall away they are no longer saved and then they can become saved again, and this can be an ongoing adventure. I don't believe this to be a correct interpretation of Scripture. For one thing, if God gives eternal life to a believer and cleanses them from all their sins, as Scripture clearly teaches, then they HAVE that. It is eternal. It is complete forgiveness. It doesn't say anywhere that it's temporary eternal life based on your good behavior and it doesn't say God removes the punishment of your sins until you fall away, then He holds them against you again, until you come back, and then He removes them again.

Instead, and this is why I REALLY REALLY REALLY love the book of Hebrews, it shows the the sufficiency of Jesus sacrifice to pardon thoroughly and completely, a sinner's sins. It's not dependent on our behavior, it is dependent on coming to God as bankrupt of any righteousness or goodness on our part, asking Him to save us from sin.

IF (and that's not a possible IF) God doesn't save a person from the punishment of their sins when they are born again, then that would not be a fulfillment of His Word.

He promised salvation to sinners, not goody-two-shoes. On the other hand, in order to receive it, it does require confession and repentance from sin, because sin is the issue that separates between God and us.
 
What are we searching for?
A God in our imagination.
A church with flashy preachers, flashy cars, flashy buildings, flashy tasty women, flashy music....blah blah?
So lets' forget the church for a minute, wtf is God? Again we can dream on but he's only what we imagine.
As for him talking to us audibly or consciously, I don't believe that for one second.
 
What are we searching for?
A God in our imagination.
A church with flashy preachers, flashy cars, flashy buildings, flashy tasty women, flashy music....blah blah?
So lets' forget the church for a minute, wtf is God? Again we can dream on but he's only what we imagine.
As for him talking to us audibly or consciously, I don't believe that for one second.
Going by the context of the verse, it was to Israelites who already had much of the Old Testament already written, so they would have known the identity of God as the God of the Old Testament and would search for Him according to how He had revealed Himself in the Scriptures.

There are many verses in the Bible about seeking God and finding. The question is, are you seeking Him where He has revealed Himself?

Then you will call, and the LORD will answer; you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.
Isaiah 58:9
 
What are we searching for?
...As for him talking to us audibly or consciously, I don't believe that for one second.
Seeking to know Him. To experience what Jesus said believers would experience, which it appears you have never experienced. I guess I shouldn't make any assumptions. Have you experienced this @themickey?

The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.
John 14:21​
 
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