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I can fulfill that role for you.
Since you are from Australia, and everyone knows Australia is upside down, you don't go down to hell, you go up to it. (<-----This is a severe bias about Australia, where every living thing tries to kill you.)
Does that work? Teehee.
There are eye witness accounts to the resurrection. Skeptics have found reasons to not accept them.So at this point in time to me, it appears the disciples never said boo to a goose about Jesus resurrection, but then afterwards the cultist came out of the woodwork like cockroaches proclaiming bs miracles 70 - 100 years ago. Nice con job suckers!
That is why I focused on Paul's books for "Fact Checking @themickey". They are harder for a liberal to dismiss. They contain the belief in the resurrection and they discuss it as the common belief of all the churches. These books were written between around 15 to 31 years after the resurrection - date ranges of 48 AD to 67 AD according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_epistles
For someone who is not trying their hardest to reject Jesus, there are a lot of reasons to believe in the validity of the New Testament.
For starters, here is a good discussion on the 3 of the gospels. I personally believe Matthew was written by Matthew, a disciple of Jesus and eyewitness of the resurrection. Mark, who wrote Mark, who was quite possibly also a witness to the resurrection, although he was not a disciple. Luke was not an eyewitness, but was very educated and compiled his gospel from reliable sources. The book of John is not discussed, but I believe the book of John was written by John, the disciple of Jesus and he was also a witness to the resurrection.
https://www.biblicaltraining.org/transcriptions/lecture-04-do-we-know-who-wrote-gospels
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An excerpt from the following link:
https://www.biblicaltraining.org/transcriptions/lecture-04-do-we-know-who-wrote-gospels
https://www.biblicaltraining.org/transcriptions/lecture-04-do-we-know-who-wrote-gospels
This is the 4th lecture in the online series of lectures on Why I Trust My Bible by Dr Bill Mounce. Bill was a preaching pastor at a church in Spokane, WA, and prior to that a professor of New Testament and director of the Greek Program at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary. He also taught at Azusa Pacific University and is the author of the bestselling Greek textbook, Basics of Biblical Greek.
1. Challenge – Eye Witnesses and Historical Jesus and Proof
In this session, we are going to talk about the issue of authorship of the synoptic gospels: Matthew, Mark and Luke. The challenge is that we don’t really know who wrote them, so people do say. And because we don’t know who wrote them, we don’t know if they got the stories right or if the authors changed the stories of Jesus. So authorship is a big issue. Bart Ehrman has written book on this, entitled ‘Forged, Writing in the Name of God’ and the sub-title is, ‘Why the Bible Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are.’ It is true that Matthew, Mark and Luke are anonymous; they don’t say who actually wrote the books. We think the names were not formally attached to them until the Gospels were all put together in a codex, a book format and so the different Gospels needed to be distinguished from each other. So it is true that Matthew, Mark and Luke don’t say who the authors are Bart Ehrman and others are correct as far as that is concerned.
2. Word of Mouth
But a traditional answer to this, church tradition is very strong on Matthew writing the first Gospel, Mark wrote the second Gospel and Luke wrote the third Gospel.
3. Oral Culture
The sayings of the early Fathers as they recounted what they had heard; they are actually very strong in terms of the authorship. Matthew was one of the twelve disciples of Jesus and he was certainly in a position to know what Jesus said. We are told that Mark actually wrote the memories of Peter; in other words, behind the Gospel of Mark is Peter and his retelling of the story of the actions of Jesus and his teachings. At the same time, traditions are strong that Luke wrote the third Gospel. Luke was a gentile and he wasn’t an eye witness and he tells us this at the very beginning of Luke. He was a travelling companion of Paul. He had access to information about Jesus and so the traditions are strong that those three men wrote the first three Gospels. Not only is this tradition strong, but all three of those are in a position to know what actually happened, to know what Jesus actually taught and then to write it down in a trustworthy manner.
1. Challenge – Eye Witnesses and Historical Jesus and Proof
In this session, we are going to talk about the issue of authorship of the synoptic gospels: Matthew, Mark and Luke. The challenge is that we don’t really know who wrote them, so people do say. And because we don’t know who wrote them, we don’t know if they got the stories right or if the authors changed the stories of Jesus. So authorship is a big issue. Bart Ehrman has written book on this, entitled ‘Forged, Writing in the Name of God’ and the sub-title is, ‘Why the Bible Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are.’ It is true that Matthew, Mark and Luke are anonymous; they don’t say who actually wrote the books. We think the names were not formally attached to them until the Gospels were all put together in a codex, a book format and so the different Gospels needed to be distinguished from each other. So it is true that Matthew, Mark and Luke don’t say who the authors are Bart Ehrman and others are correct as far as that is concerned.
2. Word of Mouth
But a traditional answer to this, church tradition is very strong on Matthew writing the first Gospel, Mark wrote the second Gospel and Luke wrote the third Gospel.
3. Oral Culture
The sayings of the early Fathers as they recounted what they had heard; they are actually very strong in terms of the authorship. Matthew was one of the twelve disciples of Jesus and he was certainly in a position to know what Jesus said. We are told that Mark actually wrote the memories of Peter; in other words, behind the Gospel of Mark is Peter and his retelling of the story of the actions of Jesus and his teachings. At the same time, traditions are strong that Luke wrote the third Gospel. Luke was a gentile and he wasn’t an eye witness and he tells us this at the very beginning of Luke. He was a travelling companion of Paul. He had access to information about Jesus and so the traditions are strong that those three men wrote the first three Gospels. Not only is this tradition strong, but all three of those are in a position to know what actually happened, to know what Jesus actually taught and then to write it down in a trustworthy manner.
Nothing like a good ol' cultist to spin a story, I reckon you could bend light....
.......Most scholars believe the gospel was composed between AD 80 and 90, with a range of possibility between AD 70 to 110; a pre-70 date remains a minority view. The work does not identify its author, and the early tradition attributing it to the apostle Matthew is rejected by modern scholars. He was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values.....
....The majority also believe that Mark was the first gospel to be composed and that Matthew (who includes some 600 of Mark's 661 verses) and Luke both drew upon it as a major source for their works. The author of Matthew did not, however, simply copy Mark, but used it as a base, emphasizing Jesus' place in the Jewish tradition and including details not found in Mark.
The good ol' cult brigade all feeding off one another to come up with the best smooth slippery tongued edition of snakeoil talk.
Truth content is not so important as entertainment.
Who cares who wrote the first Gospel? THIS is all that matters, and is all that has mattered for 60 years!
Well it matters a lot when the sheep are fed a story about eyewitness accounts where there are none.
And like the Charlie Brown skit we are spun a story which carries sensational tear jerk sop to tug on sheeples heart strings.
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