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[themickey]

The subject of hell is difficult for me to like to discuss, probably because there is NOTHING pleasant or good about hell except that it is separating evil from good. For all eternity, there will continue evil confined in hell seoarated from the good that exists in the Person of God and experienced by all beings in heaven.

I didn't search for this video, was actually going to listen to the Bible on youtube before listening to my church online and this popped up as a recommended video. Yesterday I read an article that discussed hell and it's been, well, troubling to me ever since. Not that I will experience hell, I'm assured of eternal life through my repentance and faith in Jesus. But, I'm troubled that anyone would be sent there. An eternity spent in hell is far worse than anything imaginable, and any horror movie.

I like the partial answer that John MacArthur gives to the question, "Why did God create people He knew will go to hell?" I agree with his answer, but would say that there are many more reasons involved, including, as John MacArthur also suggests, the ones we don't know, that are God's reasons that He doesn't tell us. There are also more reasons that just these that the Bible expresses, but this presents a few important ones.

"Why did God create people he knew will go to hell?"

I watched the video.

What you Christian guys can't seem to fathom, your pulpits are full of snakeoil salesmen.
They stand there with their slick suits and jabber the first bit of shit which comes into their heads, while the congregation slurp down their words in total subservience.

It's mind boggling how cultists can't understand bs when it's constantly slapping them in the face like a wet fish.

Btw, these flashy clothes these guys wear, its all part of the elaborate con to appear professional, legitimate.

Anyhow SOM, thanks for the video which portrays a great example of church bs.

 

[themickey]

You know what the problem is with you Christians?
You are led like lambs to the slaughter by your 'leaders'.

You have a ministry which is deluded and you have the sheep which are placid, mild, unquestioning, lazy, complicit, subservient.
You believe everything told you, hostages, blinkers on, deaf, dumb, mute.

Wake the fuck up for christ sake!

 

[studentofthemarkets]

your pulpits are full of snakeoil salesmen....
Anyhow SOM, thanks for the video which portrays a great example of church bs.

OK. It's my turn to join in this fight!

Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”

So, rather than using the saying "May the best man win," I'll start off by saying:


"If the Lord is God, follow Him!"


I will plan to tackle one issue and stay on it for a while to hammer this out.

1. (This might be the beginning of several major points, farther down the road)You had a problem with the messenger in the video, but didn't comment on whether or not his message was biblically based. I think that beneath your repeated criticisms of pastors/churches is an even bigger problem: disbelief in God's Word.

So, for starters:

I believe that the original manuscripts of the Bible were written by men who were inspired by God, led by God or at times given the message audibly, directly from God. These original works did not contain errors in the message God intended. They did, however, accurately record sins of many people, so the recording of sin in the Bible does not mean that God is endorsing the sin. Also, there are copies that do contain small scribal errors.

So, how accurate is the Bible compared to what was written in the original manuscripts? All we have now are copies of copies.

A. The Dead Sea scrolls were a collection of a large number of copies of manuscripts of the Old Testament and other writings that were found together that date back to before Jesus time. Based on clear evidence, the following passage was written by Dr. Rogers.
[Editors Note: AP auxiliary writer Dr. Rogers is the Director of the Graduate School of Theology and Associate Professor of Bible at Freed-Hardeman University. He holds an M.A. in New Testament from Freed-Hardeman University as well as an M.Phil. and Ph.D. in Hebraic, Judaic, and Cognate Studies from Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion.]
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Let us pause here to make an important observation: these cases we have been discussing are unusual. In fact, there are relatively few examples of passages that are totally different in the Dead Sea Scrolls than they appear in the Medieval Hebrew manuscripts. And the majority of the passages that are different match some other known version of the Old Testament (usually the Greek translation). This means that the Old Testament has been copied and transmitted with remarkable accuracy. It is not a stretch to say the Hebrew Bible known to Jesus is essentially the same as the one known to us. All of this leads to the conclusion that the Dead Sea Scrolls sometimes complicate, but generally confirm, our knowledge of the Old Testament text.
https://apologeticspress.org/the-dead-sea-scrolls-and-the-bible-5741/
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The article makes the point that the current Old Testament we use today is essentially the same as what Jesus knew.​

 

[themickey]

OK. It's my time to join in this fight!

Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”

I stopped reading right there.
All you sort are capable of is quoting the same stupid nonsense out of the bible as if it were God speaking, which it isn't.
There's a zillion Christians all spouting their own interpretation on the bible, all pulling in different directions, all got there own cliques and you want the heathen to listen to your version?

Think about it; if I were constantly attempting at backing up my theories quoting scripture out of the Quran, do you think you would be listening?

 

[ph1l]

Judge for yourselves. Does the below passage STATE that the animals were created after humans?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2&version=MEV

18 Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone. I will make him a helper suitable for him.”

19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.

In 18, "will" is used as a verb which means the future. "helper" means something to help.
In 19, God creates the help mentioned in 18 -- animals.
So, 18 happened before 19.

This commentary mentions that it was not likely the transfiguration, but Christ's resurrection and then later the power than Christians had in performing miracles that were the fulfillment of this. I tend to think the transfiguration was either the main fulfillment or part of the fulfillment.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/16-28.htm​

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/16-28.htm

Meyer's NT Commentary
Matthew 16:28. Having affirmed the certainty of the second coming and the divine retribution

So the commentary from another Bible scholar says the verse refers to the second coming -- which hasn't happened yet.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16&version=MEV

24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, ...
28 Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

So that means some of the people Jesus spoke to are still alive according to some Bible scholars.

These examples show the Bible has multiple interpretations. It seems anyone can interpret the Bible to suit their views. To me, that makes it a not-so-reliable historical document.

 

[themickey]

The article makes the point that the current Old Testament we use today is essentially the same as what Jesus knew.

Yabba yabba yabba, jabber jabber jabber.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2&version=MEV

In 18, "will" is used as a verb which means the future. "helper" means something to help.
In 19, God creates the help mentioned in 18 -- animals.
So, 18 happened before 19.

No. You are trying to force your opinion into the text. The statement in verse 19, "Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky" does not have a time stamp included. We know from the chapter 1 passage that it is referring to the previous days of creation when God had formed every beast and every bird. The Chapter 1 sequence of events would have been assumed in the retelling of of the events in Chapter 2.

Putting the same sentence structures into a modern situation might make it more clear.

On Tuesday Bill went to the store and bought lettuce. On Wednesday he went to the store and bought lunchmeat. On Thursday he went to the store and bought mayonnaise.

On Saturday, Bill had a friend over for lunch. Bill had bought lettuce, lunchmeat and mayonnaise from the store but he had forgotten to get bread. Bill told his friend they should get lunch at Chic-Fil-A instead of eating at home.

The second paragraph in the story is complete and truthful, but it does not give the details that it was on the days of the previous week that he had made the purchases.

 

[themickey]

Christians can't fathom it out they have been sold a huge crock of shit.

Old folk believing in their folk lore, passing on down all these old wives tales to their offspring.
Generation after generation of nonsense passed off as wisdom.
Claiming they set you free and claiming they are liberating the blind.

If you don't question your religion and all the stupid sop your brain is addled with, you're incapable of thinking.

 

[ph1l]

I like the partial answer that John MacArthur gives to the question, "Why did God create people He knew will go to hell?" I agree with his answer, ...

"Why did God create people he knew will go to hell?"

https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/god-is.359932/page-63#post-5523798
At 00:51, the video has

The answer to that is simply this -- God is who he is, and you can't invent him, and you can't change him, and you can't alter him. ... And that means if you can't understand his perfect righteousness and perfect holiness the problem's with you and not him.

That says God does what he feels like, and anyone who questions that has a problem. So, only ~5 billion people are destined to spend eternity in Hell after death through no fault of their own.

I guess God could do something to tell all humans his word, so they would voluntarily worship him, but he must have better things to do.

 

[studentofthemarkets]

So that means some of the people Jesus spoke to are still alive according to some Bible scholars.

Yeah, it's very important to interpret the Bible correctly!