God is the Devil?

[TraderZones]

Quote from killthesunshine:

If God really is omnipotent why does He allow the Devil to exist and prosper?

if humans are finite and limited in their thinking, why do they think they can grasp the purposes of someone who is omnipotent

from a biblical point of view, why the Devil is allowed to exist and proper is rather clear. However, whether or not people accept this leads to this:

Why aren't we able to grasp the cosmos, and resort to "11+ dimensional space, Dark Energy, Dark matter, string theories and multiverses"? Why does not God just make everything clear? Again, why are humans (who are just a tiny bit beyond termites) worrying about why "God" does what he does?

 

[I am...]

Quote from 88888accountant:
anyway I don't know where im going with this, the devil analogy just seemed interesting. Im sure im not the first/last person to make the connection.
peace

Before one can even begin to comprehend "the devil", one must first "seek" the meaning of the "Kingdom of God". The K of G is the truth. It has no opposite and comprises ALL. The K o G and Christ are synonymous. It's attributes include an unbreakable oneness.

"The devil" is a concept. It represents all that is opposite Christ and the K of G...which is EVERYTHING. So, it represents, for example, everything separated...broken...fractured...divided...distanced...different. Look around and see what "the devil" has wrought. "The world" is it's handiwork.

Since Christ is ALL, the concept of "the devil" must have arisen in Christ's own mind. At first laughed at, the concept is given power as it is taken more and more seriously. Belief, then, is all the power "the devil" has. But belief, in the mind of Christ, is not without power.

"The devil" operates through deception, and, harnessing belief, it bleeds power from it's host...the mind of Christ. In it's bid for survival, it attacks the very mind that hosts it...seeking to possess it's power for its own. It accomplishes this by confusing the mind that hosts it...compromising it's integrity. In this way, it 'destroys' the mind of Christ...virtually killing it...that it may live off it's death like a parasite.

So, is God the devil? No. But the concept of the devil does reverse God, and turn God inside out, backwards, upside down and all mixed up. In this way, the devil would make God appear to be insane and guilty. It would have no power to do this were it not given this power "from above". Who or what is giving the devil power? Anyone who believes in it, or sees it's handiwork and believes in it....is empowering the devil.

Ultimately, only the mind of Christ can empower what is anti-Christ, because Christ really has no opposite...no enemies. The anti-Christ, then, must be imaginary, in Christ's own mind. What believes in it, then, must be an aspect of Christ. In this sense, "the world" is "within" you. It's just that "the devil" has made it seem as though it is outside of you, acting upon you, putting you at its mercy. This, as I've said, is backwards...a grandios deception of god-aweful proportions.

"The devil" is escapable, then, only by Christ...it's empowerer. One disempowers the devil by withdrawing belief from it and/or it's handiworks. The devil has hidden his handiworks where you would never suspect to find them...right in front of your face.



Christ!

 

[I am...]

Quote from killthesunshine:

If God really is omnipotent why does He allow the Devil to exist and prosper?

God is omnipotent, having a monopoly on power. The devil, then, must be a game for "gods"....for a plurality of gods...borrowing/taking power from God. These "gods" seem to come from within the Kingdom of God, from within it's oneness...and go to make their own kingdoms...each going their own way. Collectively, they are the "prodigal son". They are transformers. They transform themselves into everything that is NOT God...into "form"...into flesh and bones.

These "gods" don't exist. But in their arrogance, they insist they do. "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"...because men don't exist! They are imaginary, made in the imaginations ("image") of these "gods" (plural)...which themselves do not exist.

So, it's not so much that God allows this as these "gods" have stolen their identity from God...from the power of God. It's important to understand that God does not make or break barriers. God does not limit or prohibit. What these "gods" do is limit themselves in the name of "freedom". It's really insane (sin).

These "gods" have the same rights as the Son of God. They are leveraging the inheritance of the Son of God against himSelf. God does not attack them, nor defend himSelf against them...for God has no opposites and no enemies!

Again, these are imaginary beings who insist they exist. To God, they do not exist, and so, does not respond to them. They are self-made...insisting on their alledged existence. That is why I say that the greatest man is the one who surrenders his (apparent) existence. This one only is able to help his fellows. And this one only lives as Christ.

Christ!

 

[Eight]

The Devil is a real being.. he's the one that lies to you when you are a little kid and promises you things... and steals everything that God wants to give you before you even thought of it... but hey, he replaces all that wonderful stuff with tokens known as pride.. it's not like he doesn't at least give you something :eek:

 

[acronym]

Try Salman Rushdies "Satanic Verses".

Read the fucking book, then look around for "other" congruences.
If your to dim to figure it out, given Rushdie was , despite the fatwah, pissweak in confronting religiously justified/authorized evil, then your to far gone to worry about it in the first place, just forget it.

I fail to see, how christians even sleep at night-there is no "dichotomy", christ taught the opposite of most christian teachings-especially the catholics.

I guess its fortunate he was actually just a guy, not an omnipotent being, or he would have smote most christian sects by now.

Especially the catholics.
Fuck the rapture, if there is a hell, all god-bothering christians are going there.

Peace out.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Eight:

The Devil is a real being.. he's the one that lies to you when you are a little kid and promises you things... and steals everything that God wants to give you before you even thought of it... but hey, he replaces all that wonderful stuff with tokens known as pride.. it's not like he doesn't at least give you something :eek:

Wilfredo Hernandez: All churchs beat the devil good, but they are very carefull not to kill him.

 

[omegapoint]

Quote from I am...:

God is omnipotent, having a monopoly on power. The devil, then, must be a game for "gods"....for a plurality of gods...borrowing/taking power from God. These "gods" seem to come from within the Kingdom of God, from within it's oneness...and go to make their own kingdoms...each going their own way. Collectively, they are the "prodigal son". They are transformers. They transform themselves into everything that is NOT God...into "form"...into flesh and bones.

These "gods" don't exist. But in their arrogance, they insist they do. "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"...because men don't exist! They are imaginary, made in the imaginations ("image") of these "gods" (plural)...which themselves do not exist.

So, it's not so much that God allows this as these "gods" have stolen their identity from God...from the power of God. It's important to understand that God does not make or break barriers. God does not limit or prohibit. What these "gods" do is limit themselves in the name of "freedom". It's really insane (sin).

These "gods" have the same rights as the Son of God. They are leveraging the inheritance of the Son of God against himSelf. God does not attack them, nor defend himSelf against them...for God has no opposites and no enemies!

Again, these are imaginary beings who insist they exist. To God, they do not exist, and so, does not respond to them. They are self-made...insisting on their alledged existence. That is why I say that the greatest man is the one who surrenders his (apparent) existence. This one only is able to help his fellows. And this one only lives as Christ.

Christ!

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[TraderZones]

Quote from acronym:

christ taught the opposite of most christian teachings-especially the catholics.

Catholocism, true. I wonder how someone can confidently say "I am a Catholic" What has that got to do with Christianity? They say it as if it were another religion. Never saw any of the prophets, apostles or christ say anything about "being Catholic."

However, most sects wander all over the place with what they teach...

 

[peilthetraveler]

Quote from I am...:

God does not attack them, nor defend himSelf against them...for God has no opposites and no enemies!

Stop making stuff up.

Job 33:10 Yet God has found fault with me; he considers me his enemy

James 4:4 Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

Sometimes the first parts of your posts start to make sense, then i dont know what you do...hit the pipe maybe, and start rambling non-biblical rants. (maybe hoping to fool people into thinking you are Jesus, hmm?)

Matthew 6:7 ...do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Eight:

The Devil is a real being.. he's the one that lies to you when you are a little kid and promises you things... and steals everything that God wants to give you before you even thought of it... but hey, he replaces all that wonderful stuff with tokens known as pride.. it's not like he doesn't at least give you something :eek:

hard to believe that an educated person in this day and age still believes there is some unseen evil demon floating around trying to get you.