God in Medicine

It is God's state which is the problem. Whatever that state is or is not, it is a limitation which God has.
If God is limitless and has the power to turn that limitlessness on or off , then that is God's state. God does not then have a different state. There is the limitation.
 
Quote from Sparohok:

I don't think that follows. If <i>any</i> scientific conclusion is "permanently fixed" and "beyond God's power to change," then God is not limitless. Conversely, if we take God's power as axiomatic, that means that God can influence the course of science at any point, however He wishes. This is true for any scientific conclusion, whether it concerns God, evolution, or cow flatulence; it doesn't matter. Either God is truly omnipotent, beyond science and human perceptions, or God is not omnipotent, and can be caged by scientific discovery. No work of Man, be it science or faith, can move Him from one category to another.

An omnipotent God could at His whim allow us to believe that we have incontrovertible proof of His existence. Of course it would also be in His power to instantly eradicate all such evidence and leave behind a world where faith alone confirms His existence. For all we know this has already happened.

I am an atheist, but I am not foolish enough to consider this anything other than a matter of faith. I do not believe that any scientific discovery could ever disprove the existence of an all powerful God.

Martin
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I think you misread or I miscommunicated my post, because we are saying the same thing with different words.

I am simply stating that "if" God could be permanently nailed down in any way, that part of God would cease to be God, because God could no longer change that property. This is a non sequitur, because God is all powerful, thus no part of God can ever possibly be known with certainty -- God is always free to change the rules so as to remain unknowable.
 
You are all trying desperately to put into words and thoughts that which is beyond human comprehension, and therefore beyond your capability to do so.

It would be like asking a three-year old child to give you the nature of the universe.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

You are all trying desperately to put into words and thoughts that which is beyond human comprehension, and therefore beyond your capability to do so.

It would be like asking a three-year old child to give you the nature of the universe.
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Come on, man. Anyone who's ever been three years old remembers that at that age they knew FOR CERTAIN, the natura of the universe!

It's only us old people who can't comprehend.

Although, a young woman's nipples still look like the entire universe to me -- just not my mama's! LOL!
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

You are all trying desperately to put into words and thoughts that which is beyond human comprehension, and therefore beyond your capability to do so.

It would be like asking a three-year old child to give you the nature of the universe.
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There is nothing beyond human comprehension about God. God is perfectly comprehensible in all Its guises as nothing more than an idea based on duplicitous equivocations.
 
Quote from kjkent1:

...because God is all powerful, thus no part of God can ever possibly be known with certainty ...
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...especially the part where God is said to be all powerful . That could not possibly be known with any certainty
 
all you guys and gals making God upset imo....


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Quote from vhehn:

statistics have long ago proved that prayer does not change outcomes. all studies show believers have no different sickness\disease statistics than non believers.
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Last I read that's false. Similar to optimism and nurses that do nothing more than appear to care, it is helpful in recovery.
 
Quote from Ricter:

Last I read that's false. Similar to optimism and nurses that do nothing more than appear to care, it is helpful in recovery.
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It is difficult for me to understand how an omnipotent being would allow the suffering involved in some types of illness. I heard the prayers of the faithful around thier dying loved ones. They were beyond medical help, so they were apparently beyond God's help as well. If there is any place where God could work miracles, it would be in a hospital. The hospital is a place where I have witnessed a lot of supernatural cruelty. Faith seems to me to be a security blanket for adults.

Mythos
 
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