God and Science

[jem]

Quote from vhehn:

man you are a piece of work. his own words from the video:

"i dont believe the universe was designed by intelligence"
"before darwin we thought the universe looked designed but we eventually figured out what it was. it was random mutation"
"a little bit of everything evolved"
"it was randomness,statastics,and the laws of physics that led to our design"


i dont get it jem. i am sure if you looked at enough creationist sites you could find someone calling himself a scientist claiming he believes intelligent design. why make things up by misrepresenting what this man says? it makes you look intellectually dishonest or willfully ignorant.

I still can't believe you do not understand what you are hearing. Listen to his last few sentences again. Read the quotes I have provided you.

His statements are predicated on the fact he speculates via string theory there are 10 to the 500 (at least) other universes. If there are that many other universes then of course statistics would dictate there is a chance there would be a universe which is fined tuned for life.

The catch is - there is no evidence of other universes.


Let me try and make this simple for you. this is not a perfect analogy but it makes the point.

Lets say the building blocks of the universe were a huge deck of cards.

If the deck was only dealt once it would be impossible to expect the cards to fall in an order which would sustain life. If the hand did fall in the way to sustain life - you would expect the deck was rigged.

However if almost infinite hands of big bangs were dealt eventually you would expect one hand to be capable of supporting life. Therefore with almost infinite universes life was a statical inevitablility.

if we have One universe - looks designed.
if we have trillions and trillons of universes - no conclusion of design.

Now the only real question is - what scientific facts or theories allow Susskind make such a statement.

If you read what he says - part of it stems from the work of Nobel prize winner steven weinberg and the cosmological constant and other fine tunings.

Susskind believes that since string theory allows for an almost infinite amount of universes. The CC could be constant in our universe but a different constant in another. (provided there are other universes).

I am not misrepresenting anything. I understand what he is saying. You do not.

Finally where do you get off saying I have claimed to be a brilliant lawyer. I am a licensed attorney. But I do not believe I ever have said I am a brilliant lawyer.

As far as I am concerned I have only seen one or two brilliant lawyers and I reserve that statement for people who have done brilliantly in court. For me the real test of a brilliant attorney is in the court room. And because of the stress vs. pay ratio - I have endeavored to stay out of litigation for the last decade. (plus I traded full time for 7 years) So I see no way I would call myself a brilliant lawyer.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

what is hard to hear there vhehn -- Susskind says - we just happen to live in the universe that looks intelligently designed.

Do you hear that ? Does it not blast through your self imposed ignorance. He says it on camera? in his second or third to last sentence.....

let me say it again "we just happen to live in the universe which looks intelligently designed."

This man is one of the founders of string theory and one of the best scientific minds in the world. He tells you our universe looks intelligently designed.

Have you fallen off your chair yet?

Do you need a fricken transcipt? How many times do you need to read and hear it?

Top physicist says we happen to live in a universe which looks intelligently designed...


explain the plain english vhehn.


1. What did susskind say about the appearance of our universe? Random or Designed?

vhehn will not have the balls to answer. so I will - our universe appears designed.

2. Does Susskind offer a theory of why it looks designed?

answer yes

3. Does he have proof of the theory?
No - not at this time?

4. What is the theory?
at least 10 to the 500 other universes?

You're a sore loser jem. Spiteful too.

1. What did susskind say about the appearance of our universe? Random or Designed?

He started out by saying "I don't believe the Universe was designed by an intelligence."

He said [but] ..... "it looks designed."
It is perfectly clear he is saying It LOOKS designed, as in, it APPEARS designed, that does not mean he is saying it is anything to do with being intelligently designed . As Susskind stated right off... I don't believe it is designed….

He’d soon be able to see in your case jem, intelligence is not a contributory factor.

2. Does Susskind offer a theory of why it looks designed?

No. He offers his opinion on how the universe got here and he states categorically it is not by intelligent design


3. Does he have proof of the theory?
No he doesn't. His actual theory has nothing to do with intelligent design or what you are calling design either. Only you and a bunch of religious nutters try to attach his remarks "looks designed but isn't " , to string theory, and then insanely conclude intelligent design.

In fact he says elsewhere....

"I don't believe the Universe was designed by an intelligence"
"The views that I have expressed are far from rigorous scientific facts. The observational evidence for a cosmological constant, for inflation, and the mathematical evidence for a string theory landscape could all evaporate." [Susskind]


4. What is the theory?
What theory? He doesn't have a theory how the universe would be intelligently designed



You're making some progress. You've stopped calling him a Nobel Prize Winning Physicists every time you default to misquoting him. You've learned at long last there is no Nobel Prize to his name.
Now all you have to learn is he isn't saying what you wish he was, and isn't meaning what you want him to .

It's easy to see how Susskind is honest and how you are not.

The persistence you have in being dishonest with his words the way you squirm , sounding ridiculous at the same time, is a damn sad indictment on the religion you're trying to support by it all.

Quote from jem:
I am a licensed attorney.

A licensed attorney for what....cartoon characters? Did you get your "license" at the dog pound.

You were going around spelling cite as site for god knows how long. Hell licensed attorney... don't make me laugh

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

I still can't believe you do not understand what you are hearing. Listen to his last few sentences again. Read the quotes I have provided you.

His statements are predicated on the fact he speculates via string theory there are 10 to the 500 (at least) other universes. If there are that many other universes then of course statistics would dictate there is a chance there would be a universe which is fined tuned for life.

The catch is - there is no evidence of other universes.


Let me try and make this simple for you. this is not a perfect analogy but it makes the point.

Lets say the building blocks of the universe were a huge deck of cards.

If the deck was only dealt once it would be impossible to expect the cards to fall in an order which would sustain life. If the hand did fall in the way to sustain life - you would expect the deck was rigged.

However if almost infinite hands of big bangs were dealt eventually you would expect one hand to be capable of supporting life. Therefore with almost infinite universes life was a statical inevitablility.

if we have One universe - looks designed.
if we have trillions and trillons of universes - no conclusion of design.

Now the only real question is - what scientific facts or theories allow Susskind make such a statement.

If you read what he says - part of it stems from the work of Nobel prize winner steven weinberg and the cosmological constant and other fine tunings.

Susskind believes that since string theory allows for an almost infinite amount of universes. The CC could be constant in our universe but a different constant in another. (provided there are other universes).

I am not misrepresenting anything. I understand what he is saying. You do not.

Finally where do you get off saying I have claimed to be a brilliant lawyer. I am a licensed attorney. But I do not believe I ever have said I am a brilliant lawyer.

As far as I am concerned I have only seen one or two brilliant lawyers and I reserve that statement for people who have done brilliantly in court. For me the real test of a brilliant attorney is in the court room. And because of the stress vs. pay ratio - I have endeavored to stay out of litigation for the last decade. (plus I traded full time for 7 years) So I see no way I would call myself a brilliant lawyer.

You are right it is a poor analogy, but let's run with it.

There are "cards" that only fall and stay on the table when they link. A five of spades only links to a six of spades etc.
So you get complex matchings too.
A deck that is constantly dealt but is reducing only when cards have connected until all cards are on the table.
Your "huge deck of cards" could even be in a giant tumbler too, no need to deal. Until every card was attached to the only ones they could attach to.
No need for a stacked or rigged deck when only cards that can follow do follow each other.

You don't need an infinite number of universes. An infinite number of recurring singularities in black holes could do it, as your "huge deck of cards".
Then only one universe that could contain black holes long enough is needed. The rest fall to a singularity. A “Survival of the fittest”. Evolution of a Universe too. Eventually succumbing to a black hole, the process revolves again.

Looking through just one old cracked telescope from the wrong end with a religious blindfold on is not going to help you to stop misrepresenting everything the way you do.


brilliant lawyer..lol!

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from kut2k2:

A clear majority of American voters in 2000 wanted Al Gore elected President. LOL

And spare me the speech on the Electoral College. ...

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You maybe right.
And still on topic, thank God for rep republic, not democracy[mob rule]]

 

[FeenixRizin]

Nearly every major scientific discovery has been made with the intention of reading God's mind. Einstein, Newton, Gallelio, Socrates, etc, etc, etc ...

When smart people attempt to determined an intrinsic order to the universe, that is when great things happen.

Atheist Science, brings us Eugenics, and "Global Warming"


Atheist scientists generally deliver evil ...

 

[stu]

Quote from FeenixRizin:

Nearly every major scientific discovery has been made with the intention of reading God's mind. Einstein, Newton, Gallelio, Socrates, etc, etc, etc ...

When smart people attempt to determined an intrinsic order to the universe, that is when great things happen.

Atheist Science, brings us Eugenics, and "Global Warming"


Atheist scientists generally deliver evil ...

You can always tell that God is man made as he hates the same people you do.

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from stu:

You can always tell that God is man made as he hates the same people you do.

wow .. what a feeble attempt to be clever.


please inform me, who is it i hate, other then tyrants?

 

[Free Thinker]

"Quote from FeenixRizin:

Nearly every major scientific discovery has been made with the intention of reading God's mind. Einstein, Newton, Gallelio, Socrates, etc, etc, etc ...

When smart people attempt to determined an intrinsic order to the universe, that is when great things happen.

Atheist Science, brings us Eugenics, and "Global Warming"


Atheist scientists generally deliver evil"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbef07aQtB8
If Atheists Left America


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T27kB4BjbEg&NR=1

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from vhehn:

"Quote from FeenixRizin:

Nearly every major scientific discovery has been made with the intention of reading God's mind. Einstein, Newton, Gallelio, Socrates, etc, etc, etc ...

When smart people attempt to determined an intrinsic order to the universe, that is when great things happen.

Atheist Science, brings us Eugenics, and "Global Warming"


Atheist scientists generally deliver evil"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbef07aQtB8
If Atheists Left America

Ok, correction. New evidence has been introduced into the argument that has affected my thesis.

New thesis: The Greatest Of Evils Are Delivered by Atheists, may they be scientists or idiots

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

You are right it is a poor analogy, but let's run with it.

There are "cards" that only fall and stay on the table when they link. A five of spades only links to a six of spades etc.
So you get complex matchings too.
A deck that is constantly dealt but is reducing only when cards have connected until all cards are on the table.
Your "huge deck of cards" could even be in a giant tumbler too, no need to deal. Until every card was attached to the only ones they could attach to.
No need for a stacked or rigged deck when only cards that can follow do follow each other.

You don't need an infinite number of universes. An infinite number of recurring singularities in black holes could do it, as your "huge deck of cards".
Then only one universe that could contain black holes long enough is needed. The rest fall to a singularity. A “Survival of the fittest”. Evolution of a Universe too. Eventually succumbing to a black hole, the process revolves again.

Looking through just one old cracked telescope from the wrong end with a religious blindfold on is not going to help you to stop misrepresenting everything the way you do.


brilliant lawyer..lol!

well I guess I am a brilliant lawyer (and did not even know it) because you just made my point.

You are now speculating about why the universe looks designed.
Your speculation proves my point.