Globalfutures, Advantagefutures or Velocityfutures ?

Quote from Andlil.com:

Thanks a lot for this reply and the time you spent answering my question.

Can you explain the difference between an IB and FCM please, at the level of protection.

The segregated accounts protection works with IB?

No one in this world has ever lost money

Trading activity is the real risk....
 
Thanks a lot, i appreciat your help i have write yours posts and links and now it was clear for me.

Just a point... Globalfutures was an IB, IB have same obligations like FCM ??

Thanks again
 
Quote from Andlil.com:


Just a point... Globalfutures was an IB, IB have same obligations like FCM ??

Thanks again


The FCM that Global is using has the same obligations , you don't have to care about Global since your funds are with the FCM they use ...
 
Thank you all for such detailed explanations, I wanted to understand where was my money and how it could be protected if my FCM or IB bankrupt. It is important to me because now I get prop trader ... Have a good day all
 
Quote from Cazza La Randa:

No one in this world has ever lost money

Trading activity is the real risk....

What about Griffin Trading?

The UK traders took a big hit, and from what I understand there are still ongoing law suits in the US to recover lost money...
 
Quote from Cazza La Randa:

1) Globalfutures is not a FCM, It's a IB
2) All futures accounts are segregated
3) These type of accounts are 100% safe

Segregated Accounts (your money, not the clearing firms)

The chance of a firm going out of business or closing its doors is always present, unfortunately. But the industry has been set up to combat the dangers to your account should your clearing firm (or brokerage firm for that matter) go out of business. The secret to protecting your money is that investment accounts are held in segregated accounts. This small distinction may seem obvious, but it is of the greatest importance - as it means it is not an asset of the firm you are dealing with (the clearing firm or your brokerage firm), rather an asset of yours.

The Commodity Exchange Act requires that funds deposited by a customer with an FCM be maintained in a "segregated" account for the exclusive benefit of the depositing customer. The term "segregated" refers to separating the funds of all the customers (treated as a class) from the FCM's own funds (sometimes referred to as "proprietary" funds) which the FCM uses in its own operations.

So that if a firm does go bankrupt, or physically blow up in a 9/11 type event, etc. - there is no claim on your money. If Attain goes bankrupt, we can not pay our debts with your money. The same with any clearing firm. They have no access to your money except to post it as margin on the exchange when you place a trade.

Where things get sticky, and where 99% of the problems are in the banking, brokerage, and financial industry is when your money is not in a segregated account. When you write a check to John's commodity fund, for example - the money is then under control of the manager - not you, and it is not in a segregated account. This small point is the most important point in understanding how all this works.

Generally, in such circumstances, cash in customer accounts is promptly transferred, along with the customers' open positions, to a solvent FCM even before a trustee is appointed to administer the bankruptcy. After such a transfer takes place, the customer is free to transfer his funds and open positions to the FCM of his choice.

The beauty of the segregated accounts protection, is that it was actually put to the test at the end of 2005, when one of the largest clearing firms in the world, Refco, went bankrupt in the matter of weeks. Attain had hundreds of clients with accounts at Refco, and not one of them lost money or was negatively impacted in a any way (maybe a few nervous moments watching the news). In short, the system worked as it was supposed to, on a grand scale.

Very wrong. Futures accounts are not 100% safe.

You are ignoring the fact that the real problem with segregated funds is that all customers funds are segregated together. You are only looking at the firm going under. What if another customer blows out their account big time? If another customer blows out past the amount of clearing firm capital then your own customer funds are at risk.

In the past when clearing firms have failed customers eventually got their remaining money back, but in the meantime their accounts were frozen. A frozen account not only means no access to your cash, but also no ability to close out open positions or have any input into when the exchanges and/or clearing houses close out your open postions.

The Volume Investors clearing firm failure in 1985 was a major mess and embarrassment for the COMEX. The firm failed in March, 1985 and here is a news story that appeared on September 12, 1985.

"The Commodity Exchange said a Federal District Court had approved an agreement that would lead to the full restoration of funds owed to customers of the Volume Investors Corporation, a former Comex member.

Volume Investors was placed in receivership in March because of losses sustained during volatile gold market activity. The agreement calls for the Volume Investors' principals, Charles E. Federbush and Owen J. Morrissey, to deposit $4.1 million with the firm's court-appointed receiver.

These funds, together with the $10.4 million already held at the firm, would be used to meet the $13.7 million owed by the company to about 100 nondefaulting customers."

So 6 months later 100 customers were still waiting for their money and most of those 100 customers were exchange members.

The failure of the clearing firm Klein and Co. Futures Inc in May, 2000 was a similar ugly mess.
 
Quote from increasenow:

Global Futures with RCG clearing...honestly the best...amazing great service and very great daytrade margins and very low commissions... www.globalfutures.com

Very, very wrong.

When it comes to safety of customer funds firms with very low daytrade margins are the opposite of safe. The firms with proper risk management practices and rules and interested in the well being of their customers do not allow $500 or $1000 daytrade margins for contracts like ES.
 
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