Global warming hoax

[ratboy88]

Quote from Hydroblunt:

Once again, you offer no real solution, no clear opposition case. Just like the redneck voting for Bush just because some "Hollywood Librawls" called his state stupid.

You can't even figure out the difference between a Carbon Tax and a Cap & Trade program.....

you never answer any questions. you are too caught up in your dogma. i dont care about the stupid cap and trade.... it wont make any difference. co2 levels ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF THE EARTH'S WARMING TREND!!! co2 levels follow warming not the inverse.

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[Hydroblunt]

Quote from ratboy88:

you never answer any questions. you are too caught up in your dogma. i dont care about the stupid cap and trade.... it wont make any difference. co2 levels ARE NOT THE CAUSE OF THE EARTH'S WARMING TREND!!! co2 levels follow warming not the inverse.

You gonna keep playing that same weak ass video? Is that all you got? How about we put up all the evidence from both sides? Each has their own agenda, one is sponsored by the oil companies, the other by the global warming benefactors?

Notice that I say GHG, not CO2. CO2 is only one of the Green House Gases. Or really, I call it exhaust. Combustion garbage for which we use our atmosphere as a free dump site. Because that's what the atmosphere is, a magical ecology that can sustain any amount of waste.

Once again, anytime you want any REAL proof, travel to Moscow during the summer, particularly August. There was a very noticeable change in the temperature and humidity year over year as the roads started getting clogged up with cars, which btw, have some of the worst emission standards in the world. That smog, composed of GHGs (CO2 included) creates a heavy heating effect, along with moisture. So heavy, that a few deaths occur every summer. But wait, your belief is that the atmosphere heated up first and then all this exhaust appeared out of nowhere. Hmm, that's pretty logical.

There is no need of silly British scientists talking crap on video when REAL LIFE examples exist throughout the world. You can talk all the nonsense you want, you will never convince anyone who can compare the different environments experienced that can be directly correllated with increased exhaust from automobiles.

Let me help your argument, the solar system is warming, every planet is experiencing a warming trend. Your stance is to just throw our hands up in the air and risk accellerating that trend. The other side wants to at least try to do something. Both sides have backers which only care about financial & geopolitical gain and will skew the facts any way they can.

Open up your eyes and look at the whole picture. Until then, you will always be in the dark, even if you're right.

 

[acronym]

Ouch. Pass the popcorn............

Hydro, your holding up locally produced, smog induced temperature inversion as a proof, that cant be the best example-as correct as it could be, it's not going to sway the real flat earthers, of whom im sure ratboy isnt one.

You state, the solar system is heating up-it maybe, but not everyone is an astrophysicist either.
Im sure you will find, nobody has any real solutions, because nobody knows, or can agree on the problem.
Is that really just throwing one's hands in the air, and proclaiming everything's screwed because people are idiots?
Maybe it is, i lean toward that conclusion myself.

Pass the butter and salt

 

[Avid_Consumer]

Quote from Hydroblunt:

Once again, anytime you want any REAL proof, travel to Moscow during the summer, particularly August. There was a very noticeable change in the temperature and humidity year over year as the roads started getting clogged up with cars, which btw, have some of the worst emission standards in the world. That smog, composed of GHGs (CO2 included) creates a heavy heating effect, along with moisture. So heavy, that a few deaths occur every summer. But wait, your belief is that the atmosphere heated up first and then all this exhaust appeared out of nowhere. Hmm, that's pretty logical.

not to go off topic, don't know if it has anything to do with global warming but when you mention moscow it reminds me, i saw these hdr pictures of a wicked storm that hit there last week. check this shit out. i tried to verify if it's a hoax, not sure but i see ppl talking about it in a variety of places, observatory msg board etc, a tanker getting split open and spilling oil etc

if that shits real it's pretty nuts

 

[man]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

It's difficult for non-scientists to evaluate this issue. It's reasonable therefore to look at the credibility of those who are promoting a crisis atmosphere. We know the Clinton-Gore administration was a cesspool of corruption, we know that outrageous lies were the basis of their whole campaign ('worst economy in 40 years", "middle class tax cut"), we know Clinton was impeached for perjury in a federal lawsuit against him for sexual harrassment, we know Gore supported him until the bitter end and we know Gore's personal lifestyle makes a mockery of his demands for sacrifice by others to somehow alleviate global warming.

What actual facts do we know?

1. There has been a correlation between a slight temperature increase and greatly increased CO2 levels, although we can't prove which is cause and which is effect or even if there is a linkage.

2. We will not be able to reverse the CO2 increase, even if America and europe greatly cut back on industrial activity. China, India and other developing countries are far bigger sources of traditional pollution and are not about to sacrifce industrial development to limit CO2 levels.

3. In history, mankind has flourished during warming periods and found cooling periods to be a severe challenge.

4. If the mainstream predictions of sea level changes are accepted, we can accommodate them at far less cost than by trying to reverse the warming trend through limiting greenhouse gas emissions.

There may be very strong arguments for weaning our economy from its reliance on oil, but it is foolish to impose enormous costs on ourselves on the basis of an unprovable theory.

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ho ho ho. funny to read what "we know". funny that this knowledge
is both heavily twisted and ignoring at least half of the relevant
"facts". don't try to sound objective. does not fit.

 

[man]

amazing amazing again and again how stupid republicans can
sustain to be. what a bunch of fools. rupert murdoch is the high
priest of american intellectual decline. what a pathetic country.
someone here struggles over al gore's energy bill and does not
find george dubblesju weird ... remember that is the guy who can
not tell who exactly wanted the iraq army to be dismissed ...

goodness. goodness. this planet simply cannot afford a country
like america run by retards.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from ratboy88:

lol... funny. :eek:

Thank you, you're beautiful. I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from man:

ho ho ho. funny to read what "we know". funny that this knowledge
is both heavily twisted and ignoring at least half of the relevant
"facts". don't try to sound objective. does not fit.

If my facts are so obviously wrong, why don't you rebut them instead of attacking me personally?

I'm not a climate scientist, so I don't pretend to be up on every study and computer model. I do find it interesting to see which side is trying to debate the issues and which is simply trying to shout down anyone who disagrees with them. If the facts are so obvious, why can't the Gore crowd persuade people without using scare tactics and hype? Could it be because the facts are open to debate, that the conclusions are not so self-evident and that their models can't even account for past data?

Frankly, I'm sick of middle school students who can barely read lecturing adults about a complex issue they have no clue about.

 

[FightTheFuture]

Global Warming indoctrination amounts to child abuse.

Half of the children polled about Global Hysteria express anxiety over it, enough to interfere with sleep.

Duck and cover.

 

[newbunch]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

If my facts are so obviously wrong, why don't you rebut them instead of attacking me personally?

I'm not a climate scientist, so I don't pretend to be up on every study and computer model. I do find it interesting to see which side is trying to debate the issues and which is simply trying to shout down anyone who disagrees with them. If the facts are so obvious, why can't the Gore crowd persuade people without using scare tactics and hype? Could it be because the facts are open to debate, that the conclusions are not so self-evident and that their models can't even account for past data?

Frankly, I'm sick of middle school students who can barely read lecturing adults about a complex issue they have no clue about.

Modern science is all about propaganda, funding, and crushing of dissent.