Global warming hoax fools millions

[Thunderdog]

Quote from magicdust:

These 9,000 ph.Ds perhaps? http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/0026

That old saw again?

While the AAPS describes itself as "non-partisan",[6] a 1966 article in the New York Times called the organization an "ultra-right-wing... political-economic rather than medical" group, and asserted that historically some of its leaders had been members of the John Birch Society.[7] According to the JBS website, several members of the JBS National Council are associated with the AAPS.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

Is that all you got?

 

[ilikefox es]

Quote from Thunderdog:

That old saw again?

While the AAPS describes itself as "non-partisan",[6] a 1966 article in the New York Times called the organization an "ultra-right-wing... political-economic rather than medical" group, and asserted that historically some of its leaders had been members of the John Birch Society.[7] According to the JBS website, several members of the JBS National Council are associated with the AAPS.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons

Is that all you got?

Excellent example of liberal thought process.

to wit: I don't like this evidence, therefor it's not valid.

(shaking head and laughing)

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from ilikefox es:

Excellent example of liberal thought process.

to wit: I don't like this evidence, therefor it's not valid.

(shaking head and laughing)

Next response: they are all bought and paid for by oil companies.

Funny, if they are totally dependent on government grants, that makes them independent and objective.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from ilikefox es:

Excellent example of liberal thought process.

to wit: I don't like this evidence, therefor it's not valid.

(shaking head and laughing)

I refer to subterfuge, moron. When people present themselves as something other than their true underlying motivation, then they are lying. And lies are much like cockroaches: there is never just one. If you have no problems accepting at face value what deceptive people or groups say, then please just for a moment refrain from laughing so that you can tell me what sounds you hear when you shake your head.

When consulting authorities on matters well over your head, it pays to deal with honest people.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=99

The group to which I refer is the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), and its journal is the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (abbreviated JPANDS, because “JAPS” has some rather obvious negative connotations). It is not an exaggeration to say that the AAPS, through its journal JPANDS, is waging a war on science- and evidence-based medicine in the name of its politics.

Does this sound like a scientific organization to you? Or just another political hack joint posing under false pretenses?

The AAPS means what it says, too. For example, the AAPS is explicitly opposed to any form of government regulation of health care; considers the FDA and Health Care Financing Administration to be unconstitutional; is utterly opposed to Medicare; urges physicians not to participate in Medicare; describes public health programs as “tyranny“; and liberally quotes Ayn Rand.

Kathleen aptly described the philosphy of the AAPS as “ultra-conservative-libertarian-individualist–with a generous helping of conspiracism thrown into the mix–reminiscent of the philosophy espoused by the John Birch Society.” However, the Libertarianism of the AAPS is not without limits. Most Libertarians regard abortion as an individual right that the state should not interfere with except after fetal viability, arguing that a woman should have the right to control her own body and that abortion is an issue of personal conscience that the state should stay out of. Not the AAPS, despite its apparent belief in complete physician autonomy. Rather, it explicitly opposes abortion. Similarly, many Libertarians support changing the law to allow more open immigration. Not the AAPS.

Some of you right-wingers are assholes without peer. You can't argue your positions on their merits, so you have to resort to outrageous subterfuge. Did I mention assholes without peer?

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Next response: they are all bought and paid for by oil companies.

Funny, if they are totally dependent on government grants, that makes them independent and objective.

The AAPS does not accept government funding.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from wjk:

On this we are in agreement. It doesn't have to be a worse case scenerio for the economy, though. If a better economy was the result of solutions to reduce emmissions, there would be no downside. I don't think most people would care about the warming issue if they were to get a better economy out of the deal.

Well there are no guarantees in life, but often technological improvements result in economic improvements.

As we can see by GM, though, private industry will only act at a (if you'll forgive the pun) a glacial pace.

 

[maxpi]

This thread has raised the problem for me of just how to classify computer models... traders don't seem to be able to model markets to any depth at all... weather forecasters are ok in the 5-10 day range...... but for some reason the Global Warming folk can tell us with great certainty about the temperatures decades from now, wow kudos to the Global Warming crowd, I guess if it's truly alarming then the best and the brightest are drawn to it And then when they are discussing the uncertainty they will say "better to err on the side of caution because your grandchildren are going to be living on a big hot garbage dump if we are right"....

Actually scientists take no risk at all when they produce a computer model, if they are proven wrong it's "but we learned a lot in the process and thank you for the grant money" and on the few occasions when they are right it's "thank you for the grant money", sort of a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose thingy it seems to me and all financed on the backs of the taxpayers...

Oh well, just keep in mind that every time I read about somebody attacking SUV's I trash an equal number of expensive bicycles, somebody has to balance out the universe

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from magicdust:

These 9,000 ph.Ds perhaps? http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/0026

Firstly, petitions aren't evidence and those mostly aren't climatologists.

Secondly:

"The petition was so misleading that the National Academy issued a news release stating that:

The petition project was a deliberate attempt to mislead scientists and to rally them in an attempt to undermine support for the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was not based on a review of the science of global climate change, nor were its signers experts in the field of climate science."

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from maxpi:

This thread has raised the problem for me of just how to classify computer models... traders don't seem to be able to model markets to any depth at all... weather forecasters are ok in the 5-10 day range...... but for some reason the Global Warming folk can tell us with great certainty about the temperatures decades from now, wow kudos to the Global Warming crowd,

Once again, climatologists can only predict global average temperatures. If a stock index went in a straight line upwards for 150 years straight, give or take noise, you'd invest.

Yet you're unwilling to invest in this.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Once again, climatologists can only predict global average temperatures. If a stock index went in a straight line upwards for 150 years straight, give or take noise, you'd invest.

Yet you're unwilling to invest in this.

Perhaps he's using a 300-year moving average and hasn't gotten a buy signal yet. It's all about discipline, you know.