Global warming hoax fools millions

[NeoRio1]

Quote from bigdavediode:

I'm afraid you are confusing the United States with "The World" and science with lawmaking, and argument with action.

The rest of the world is leading on this issue and with respect to climate, the US will eventually follow, late, just as with seatbelts, landmines, child soldiers, and so on.

Are you saying that whatever the world does the US does? Although they most likely follow suit the majority of the time it is not to smart to assume that it will just happen.

I am confusing science with lawmaking? We started the conversation about winning and losing, not the science. Winning and losing has everything to do with passing legislation.

Remember?

Quote from bigdavediode:

And...? The skeptics did fight a losing battle, and did eventually lose.

You must have some type of an opinion when it comes to the current political atmosphere of climate change legislation? If you don't understand the current political environment of climate change legislation then I can't possibly understand how you would be able to convince yourself that you actually have the ability to gauge which side is indeed winning and losing the battle.

I apologize if you're not from the US and thus not aware of the basic political makeup in Washington.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from NeoRio1:

Are you saying that whatever the world does the US does? Although they most likely follow suit the majority of the time it is not to smart to assume that it will just happen.

I am confusing science with lawmaking? We started the conversation about winning and losing, not the science. Winning and losing has everything to do with passing legislation.

Remember?

No, it really doesn't. If that were true then the US has "won" the argument over banning landmines. 156 countries have signed on.

If that were true then the US has "won" the argument over the Kyoto protocol. 187 countries have signed on.

No, winning an argument is winning an argument, passing legislation is about passing legislation.

 

[NeoRio1]

Quote from bigdavediode:

No, it really doesn't. If that were true then the US has "won" the argument over banning landmines. 156 countries have signed on.

If that were true then the US has "won" the argument over the Kyoto protocol. 187 countries have signed on.

No, winning an argument is winning an argument, passing legislation is about passing legislation.

The US emits 20% of the worlds emissions. If the Senate fails to pass a bill it will be a victory for skeptics and a loss for supporters, worldly speaking.

For the country itself the skeptics will have won and the supporters will have lost until further attempts at legislation which most likely won't occur for years.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from NeoRio1:

The US emits 20% of the worlds emissions. If the Senate fails to pass a bill it will be a victory for skeptics and a loss for supporters, worldly speaking.

Console yourself however you wish but the world is moving on without you on science that was settled years ago.

For the country itself the skeptics will have won and the supporters will have lost until further attempts at legislation which most likely won't occur for years.

Could be. I'm not sure what that gains the US, except to fall behind in development of alternative energy and sequestration technologies.

I don't see it as likely, though. Any emissions bill will undoubtedly be negotiated between the two chambers and the Democrats are strongly in control.

The Republicans can try to obfuscate and delay (and they've even distributed notes for their own members on how they need to go about delaying) but without a majority they're really irrelevant. They have no interest in compromising on any bill, and are still almost to a man/woman voting in lockstep against the president, so it's not like they have any negotiating position.

 

[NeoRio1]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Console yourself however you wish but the world is moving on without you on science that was settled years ago.



Could be. I'm not sure what that gains the US, except to fall behind in development of alternative energy and sequestration technologies.

I don't see it as likely, though. Any emissions bill will undoubtedly be negotiated between the two chambers and the Democrats are strongly in control.

The Republicans can try to obfuscate and delay (and they've even distributed notes for their own members on how they need to go about delaying) but without a majority they're really irrelevant. They have no interest in compromising on any bill, and are still almost to a man/woman voting in lockstep against the president, so it's not like they have any negotiating position.

Did you not read anything I wrote earlier? 12-15 of the DEMOCRATS in the Senate are conservative bluedogs. Half of them have spoken in opposition against the bill passed in the house. Cap and trade doesn't have a chance in hell of passing. I will let you experience the surprise of the failed bill for yourself when the time comes because it would be hopeless to try and educate you on congressional matters seeing that you really have no knowledge of the current political atmosphere in Washington.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from NeoRio1:

Did you not read anything I wrote earlier? 12-15 of the DEMOCRATS in the Senate are conservative bluedogs. Half of them have spoken in opposition against the bill passed in the house.

Six have "spoken against it" -- so your position is that the bill is dead because it will only get 54 (60-6) votes in the Senate versus 46 opposed.

Or perhaps the independents will vote against it, and it gets 52 votes for it with 48 opposed.

In neither of these cases does the bill fail to pass the senate.

But again, if it consoles you please believe whatever you wish. Whatever happens the debate ended quite some time ago and the world moved on.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Console yourself however you wish but the world is moving on without you on science that was settled years ago.

I'll just have to accept the rest of the world being abject fools and economically shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Index piker:

I'll just have to accept the rest of the world being abject fools and economically shooting themselves in the foot.

...said the maker of steam-engines.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from bigdavediode:

...said the maker of steam-engines.

Boy !I wish, I could harness all the hot air of the AGW crowd and it's associated despotic contemporary movements.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from bigdavediode:

...said the maker of steam-engines.

Said the guy who just "knew" Obama wasn't a Muslim.

And yet now he practices Ramadan in the White House and openly brags about his Muslim roots.


Your own personal belief or non belief in reality, does not change reality.

Only YOUR perception of it.

You and your MMGW got no credibility Dave.