Quote from Lucrum:
Personally I think your making some self serving ego stroking broad assumptions here. Not everyone who practices a religion is necesarily anti science. In fact there are plenty of things scientist, religious or not, don't know or agree on. So whose to say which way the average Joe is supposed to lean in those cases?
2.I know you've been busy defending the honor of science and all, but have you heard of Climate Gate? Apparently a bunch of so called men of science were cooking the books so to speak to support their agenda. BTW does that sound like something a real scientist would do to you?
5. Well it never healed me, fortunately for me I don't get sick often. I have heard and read of "miracles". Seems to me even the most skeptical science oriented guy would at least have to pause to consider all the possibilities.
Can you claim to be open minded and objective otherwise?
Quote from vhehn:
why do you think most anti science people are more religious? why do you think most scientists are not religious.
if you are religious you most likely believe:
1. evolution is not true.
2. the earth warming is not true.
3. an unseen deity in the sky made man out of dirt.
4. a great flood once covered the earth to the highest montian depth.
5. praying will heal you.
6. almost 50% of americans believe this statement:God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.
how else do you explain the fundamental lack of understanding that the religious have than it is something to do with their indoctrination?
Quote from murray t turtle:
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More ''chickens coming home to roost'' so to speak;
concerning climate change. Australia just defeated a 'Global Warming Bill''
CBN news[Christian Broadcasting News]
Quote from Lucrum:
4. If I'm not mistaken there is evidence of one or more very large floods in ancient times. Given their limited knowledge of the world at the time it's only natural that they thought the whole world was under water and that that would be the story passed down to later generations.-----------------------well that would make the so called word of god,the bible, wrong then because it clearly says it was a worldwide flood that covered the highest mountian and killed every living thing on earth. read this if you are interested in educating yourself about the history of flood theology:http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p82.htm
5. Well it never healed me, fortunately for me I don't get sick often. I have heard and read of "miracles". Seems to me even the most skeptical science oriented guy would at least have to pause to consider all the possibilities.
Can you claim to be open minded and objective otherwise?-------unlike you evidently, i have done a study of miracles. when i did my search on my path from belief to unbelief miracles were a big part of the research. if any miracle ever happened it would be ironclad proof. the evidence shows that there has never been a verified miracle documented. something to ponder if you are interested in the question: http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/important.htm
6.Again I wasn't around 10,000 years ago. (Although sometimes it feels like I was) If I had to guess, I'd go with the truth being somewhere in between 10K and 5 billion years ago. But that's just me and frankly at the end of the day. It doesn't seem to affect me much one way or the other.--------------but it is improtant if one side is trying to force teachers to teach in school that the earth is 10000 years old.
"One mans education is another mans indoctrination. If one agrees with you there educated, if not they're indoctrinated"
.------------ this is what goes for education in religious schools. this quote is from books published for church schools and also is popular with the home school crowd. would you consider this kind of thinking an education or indoctrination? "if conclusions contradict the word of God, the conclusions are wrong no matter how many scientific facts may appear to back them."biology textbook printed by conservative Christian publisher Bob Jones University Press
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Quote from wilburbear:
Main stream media has been left sooooo far behind.
There might be a billion page views concerning Climategate on the internet. Main stream media in the U.S. has conspired to censor the story! 14 days and counting!
http://mrc.org/press/releases/2009/20091204124643.aspx
Quote from vhehn:
i wonder when the media will pick up this story. 31000 scientists supposedly against global warming. this letter was in our local paper from a scientist whose name is on that list:
31,000 dispute global warming? Not really
StoryPosted: Friday, December 4, 2009 3:50 pm
On July 4, Don Kopp wrote an opinion letter about 31,000 scientists who submitted a petition to President Obama asking him not to sign legislation about "unproven science" involving global warming and legislation such as cap and trade that would limit U.S. energy production. Then in the Nov. 19 letters to the editor Don Kopp again talked about these 31,000 scientists.
I wondered who they were and so I went to the Web site http://www.petitionproject.org/index.php. Sure enough, it said 31,486 American scientists had signed this form saying there is no evidence that human release of carbon dioxide is causing catastrophic disruption of the Earth's climate.
It starts off with Edward Teller's signature. This Web site gives a state-by-state breakdown and, lo and behold, there are 90 signers of the petition who are from South Dakota. I went down the list and my name was listed. But I never signed this form. The list includes Dale Rognlie, who died eight years ago. I tried to contact other people here at South Dakota School of Mines and found all but one had no recollection of ever signing this.
Shakespeare wrote: "Something is rotten in Denmark".
PERRY RAHN
Rapid City
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/news/article_e5bda80c-e127-11de-b4d3-001cc4c03286.html