Global Warming confirmed, skeptics speechless

[jem]

Quote from seneca_roman:

When discussing science, I like data. The ice core record you refer to is the Vostok Ice Cores going back about 0.5 million years. Looking at it shows to me that we are near or at the tipping point where the trend of temperatures declines and an ice age comes.

Seneca

Until that chart is explained... "Climate science" is not science its political marketing.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Arnie:

Tinker Bell,

Did you bother to read the post you linked to?

Taking a different approach, Marc Morano — a former aide to Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) and author of the website Climate Depot has a different, subtler line of attack: “[T]he climate debate has not centered on whether the Earth has warmed since the end of the Little Ice Age about 1850 or since the 1950s. The climate debate is about how much humans may or may not be contributing to the warming trend,” Morano wrote Friday, calling Muller a “befuddled warmist.”

Climate Depot since at least March of 2011 had been publicly warning that Muller’s entire BEST project was a predetermined con set up to take down a straw man argument. See: On 3-23-11, Climate Depot wrote in group email to fellow skeptics: ‘This whole [Muller] project has to be a set up to screw skeptics. Who disputes warming has taken place? Why have we allowed Muller to set up a straw man argument to take cheap shots at skeptics? It appears Muller is incapable of running this project.

He’s right. Muller’s conclusions aren’t technically in conflict with the views of a subset of skeptics — those that accept the Earth is warming, but deny the conclusion that humans are driving the warming. But they could easily refurbish the credibility of climate science in the public mind.

kind of makes you wonder why the deniers had such a strong reaction against him for just verifying the sience correct. no?

 

[Crispy]

The article confirms a warming trend. Shocker..

But says nothing about the source.

Sorry gorites...I will keep driving my truck and using oil to keep my house and family warm until further notice...

 

[seneca_roman]

Quote from jem:

Until that chart is explained... "Climate science" is not science its political marketing.

The chart is somewhat self-explanatory: ie-when the temp gets to about +2C it declines into a region where there is an ice age. Many scientists are coming up with theories why this happens (with dilution of the thermohaline circulation with fresh water from glacier melt being common). I don't think any of them think the rise in temps continues much beyond the +2C.

The +2 is not a magic number as there is variation when the tipping point occurs-but it happens.

IMO-the climate is getting warmer, some of this increase is caused by humans and some by natural events and it will likely get warmer before it starts declining. A lot of bad things will happen because of the warming, such as coastal submergence. I don't think the current science can assess the problem to the accuracy needed by policymakers (politicians) to decide on actions to reverse it.

Seneca

 

[Eight]

Quote from Arnie:

those that accept the Earth is warming, but deny the conclusion that humans are driving the warming......

the abovementioned are called deniers and put in a hell where they are forced to debate morons for eternity.. or until somebody leaks the emails proving that the whole thing is a gigantic fraud, whereupon their sentence is reduced to only having to debate morons once a week until the next fraud is started up...

 

[PAPA ROACH]

It's all the hot air out of Washington.

 

[jem]

Quote from seneca_roman:

The chart is somewhat self-explanatory: ie-when the temp gets to about +2C it declines into a region where there is an ice age. Many scientists are coming up with theories why this happens (with dilution of the thermohaline circulation with fresh water from glacier melt being common). I don't think any of them think the rise in temps continues much beyond the +2C.

The +2 is not a magic number as there is variation when the tipping point occurs-but it happens.

IMO-the climate is getting warmer, some of this increase is caused by humans and some by natural events and it will likely get warmer before it starts declining. A lot of bad things will happen because of the warming, such as coastal submergence. I don't think the current science can assess the problem to the accuracy needed by policymakers (politicians) to decide on actions to reverse it.

Seneca

I do not have any reason to disagree... but in terms of man's contribution... how do we know the earth was not warming on its own anyway... again the data shows that temperatures rise and then later CO2 accumulates.

 

[seneca_roman]

Quote from jem:

I do not have any reason to disagree... but in terms of man's contribution... how do we know the earth was not warming on its own anyway... again the data shows that temperatures rise and then later CO2 accumulates.

IMO, the earth was warming on its own: the last ice age ended some 11500 years ago, the earth then started getting warmer and has ,with some periods of cooling such as the Younger-Dryas and Little Ice Age, intervening; but to me the overall trend is warmer.

The CO2 lag (usually about 800 years) is not apparent this time; your guess is as good as any ones. It may be that human activity has sped up the warming and then natural feedbacks such as release of methane from the arctic tundra kept the ball rolling. I think it is probably too late to take any drastic actions to reverse it. We should be planning to adapt to what may happen.

Seneca

Seneca

 

[Trader666]

Quote from Eight:

the abovementioned are called deniers and put in a hell where they are forced to debate morons for eternity.. or until somebody leaks the emails proving that the whole thing is a gigantic fraud, whereupon their sentence is reduced to only having to debate morons once a week until the next fraud is started up...

 

[Petsamo]

You guys need to read the article and exclude the rhetoric.

It gave one piece of data:
"average global land temperature has risen by around 1C since the mid-1950s"

That 1C increase from 1950 to 2011 is attributable to man, and not normal fluctuations in the earth's temperature?

The article proves that these global warming alarmists are a bunch of nutcases!