Quote from Daal:
I'm going to take a small position on JPM monday. Stock sell off seems to be mispricing the stock
The Gordon Growth Model adjusted for earnings shows that there is a big difference between one time hits to earnings and changes in the growth rate of earnings. The former should impact how much you pay for a stock by only a little bit, while the latter should have a big impact
I understand one might say 'but what about the Volcker impact and how it will affect the growth rate going forward' but thats not what the stock market is pricing in, XLF went down 1% only, so clearly people don't expect a Volcker impact. They are afraid people will drive the position against JPM against them and force them to sell(Giving a couple of bad quarters in their earnings). I listed to the conference call and it didn't seemed the end of the world like the midia is making of this. Dimon already said they won't 'do anything stupid, we will hold through volatility', they are not going to sell
They have $180B in equity capital, this seem to be completely different from a LTCM type situation. And LTCM only survived because it got equity capital from the banks, JPM has plenty of capital to ride through the HF market manipulation. A mistake like this will probably help them have discipline back in terms of risk control, at least this is has been my experience with myself and other people, there is nothing like losing money for one to stop reaching for yields
Also, my macro exposures tend to be bearish most of the time(And I might take a large EUR short soon), this gives me a change to balance the other way
Not really a fan of this one. The main problem I see is that there are so many factors which can knock around the price of bank shares in a violent and unpredictable fashion, especially with the Euro-crisis heating up again, that even if your basic thesis and analysis is correct it'll be hard to hedge away these other risks. I'm also not sure how you'd know when it's time to exit the trade. Seems like a much better play for generating a little extra alpha in an early or mid-life bull market where you can be confident that earnings will grow steadily, versus a punt at multiyear highs in the wake of a massive QE rally when you have a bearish macro view.
If you really wanted to do this I think it would make the most sense in the context of a macro XLF short, where you are basically hedging away a portion of your short JPM exposure for some limited time - but it's still unclear how you'd know when to remove the hedge, and in practice it makes little sense to do this rather than just shorting the individual names in XLF ex-JPM.