Quote from ralph00:
QE3 stirrings ... from Hilsenrath. Good for 15 S&P points in about 45 minutes.
http://online.wsj.com/video/view-in...omy/4F6EC770-E73F-4F3D-BC8A-444D9D2E4663.html
Quote from Martinghoul:
Part of job description, I'm afraid, achilles... And yes, sure, things are fluid and minds might change, but it's quite interesting that the objections that are put forth by the hawks are of the right sort. Specifically, they are pointing out that the cost/benefit analysis of QE suggests that it's just not worthwhile in a deleveraging economy such as the US. It's interesting how the whole idea of a "balance sheet recession" filters through the establishment.
Quote from m22au:
Martinghoul I value your opinion (thanks for pointing out months ago that JPY might not tank for years), but I am wondering if your views on QE3 have changed in light of Hilsenrath's WSJ piece today?
Also, given you agree that 'things are fluid and minds might change', what kind of unemployment rate (or other economic stat) and stockmarket level would you think that the chances of QE3 increase to 51% or higher?
I don't know, m22, to be honest... IMHO, Hilsenrath's story doesn't change much. Moreover, I don't think it's a matter of unemployment/stock mkt. The very first test is to determine whether the current situation is a "soft patch" and we're in for a bounce in Q3 or whether this is for real. So I am pretty sure the Fed will sit on its hands until things become clearer. Secondly, I do believe that there is a growing awareness at the Fed that QE2 didn't stimulate the right mix of nominal and real growth. I could be wrong, but I do think that the threshold for the Fed to engage in another QE is a lot higher and that they may try to come up with other solutions. Obviously, if there's a Eurocalypse and there's a liquidity situation, everything changes.Quote from m22au:
Martinghoul I value your opinion (thanks for pointing out months ago that JPY might not tank for years), but I am wondering if your views on QE3 have changed in light of Hilsenrath's WSJ piece today?
Also, given you agree that 'things are fluid and minds might change', what kind of unemployment rate (or other economic stat) and stockmarket level would you think that the chances of QE3 increase to 51% or higher?
Quote from Martinghoul:
I don't know, m22, to be honest... IMHO, Hilsenrath's story doesn't change much. Moreover, I don't think it's a matter of unemployment/stock mkt. The very first test is to determine whether the current situation is a "soft patch" and we're in for a bounce in Q3 or whether this is for real. So I am pretty sure the Fed will sit on its hands until things become clearer. Secondly, I do believe that there is a growing awareness at the Fed that QE2 didn't stimulate the right mix of nominal and real growth. I could be wrong, but I do think that the threshold for the Fed to engage in another QE is a lot higher and that they may try to come up with other solutions. Obviously, if there's a Eurocalypse and there's a liquidity situation, everything changes.
No problem...Quote from m22au:
thank you for your analysis Martinghoul