Give up my guns?

[AAAintheBeltway]

That is it, no one will come after your legally purchased weapon.

All the major candidates have proposed draconian anti-gun rights proposals. One, Rep. Stalwell, has openly mused about the military suppressing citizens who resist gun confiscation. You know, like they did in New Orleans.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

This is an NRA propaganda film. Without proper context from the police as to what was going on and why they were doing what they were doing, I cannot agree with you or support your point of view.

What I posted was totally factual. There was massive indiscriminate gun confiscation carried out at gunpoint. The federal courts ruled it was illegal and unconstitutional, but the police and other jackbooted thugs did confiscate guns and kept them, some to this day.

This Bush/McCain reverence for anyone with a badge or uniform is a serious problem for trad republicans and conservatives. I generally support the police but I also recognize they, power-mad local prosecutors and the federal government pose the biggest risk to our freedoms.

Wikipedia account:


Confiscation of civilian firearms[edit]
Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58‑year‑old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[87][88]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we've seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[87]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of late 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[87] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[89]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[90] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[91] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

 

[RedDuke]

What I posted was totally factual. There was massive indiscriminate gun confiscation carried out at gunpoint. The federal courts ruled it was illegal and unconstitutional, but the police and other jackbooted thugs did confiscate guns and kept them, some to this day.

This Bush/McCain reverence for anyone with a badge or uniform is a serious problem for trad republicans and conservatives. I generally support the police but I also recognize they, power-mad local prosecutors and the federal government pose the biggest risk to our freedoms.

Wikipedia account:


Confiscation of civilian firearms[edit]
Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58‑year‑old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[87][88]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we've seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[87]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of late 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[87] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[89]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[90] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[91] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Disagree, so the one certain thing that we all can agree on is the fact that Dem presidents will substantially increase gun sales.

 

[Tsing Tao]

That's absolutely true... But, I always can't help to remember something I read in "The Machinery of Freedom" by David Friedman:
"It took about 150 years, starting with a Bill of Rights that reserved to the states and the people all powers not explicitly delegated to the federal government, to produce a Supreme Court willing to rule that growing corn to feed to your own hogs is interstate commerce and can therefore be regulated by Congress."

By the same token, another thing that has already been extensively discussed here is the fact the "Shall not be infriged" couldn't be clearer, yet in many states it is almost impossible to carry a gun legally and in the majority where you can do it, you have to have a permit, even if it is a "shall issue" state, and that is in itself a direct contradiction to the 2nd Amendment. Not to mention the fact that in all states there are certain firearms you simply cannot get anymore.

What I mean by this, is that the perception of the people about these things change over time... We live in a world where almost nobody believes we can live without a central bank, or some regulation of commerce or even "some gun laws"... Every republican that "dreams of this" knows that they'll never get it, unless he compromises in a certain way to some idiocy from the democratic party, which is a huge force in the country. Because these are things that most where born to and to consider these possibilities is simply "crazy", despite the fact that the country was built upon them.

So, even though it is not an easy thing to do, I can see this happening at some point(the ATF would drool over it, for example) and the military could have to get to a point where they would have to go against the president and most of congress in order to not do this(since based on the examples I mentioned, what is written in the constitution can be interpreted in any way, including the exact opposite of it and it may be tried).

Whether it would work or not, I don't know, but it would have a high probability of war(which is what the founders considered to be a real possibility, since they put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights).

I do not believe it would work. There are too many firearms, too many protectors that wouldn't enforce it, and an over burdened criminal justice system wouldn't be able to handle the influx of taking good, law abiding citizens and instantly making them criminal.

 

[Tsing Tao]

What I posted was totally factual. There was massive indiscriminate gun confiscation carried out at gunpoint. The federal courts ruled it was illegal and unconstitutional, but the police and other jackbooted thugs did confiscate guns and kept them, some to this day.

This Bush/McCain reverence for anyone with a badge or uniform is a serious problem for trad republicans and conservatives. I generally support the police but I also recognize they, power-mad local prosecutors and the federal government pose the biggest risk to our freedoms.

Wikipedia account:


Confiscation of civilian firearms[edit]
Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58‑year‑old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[87][88]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we've seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[87]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of late 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[87] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[89]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[90] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[91] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

Great. So if what you claim happened as you claim it happened, all the proper federal and state politicians put in safe guards to prevent it from happening again. Now, with the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act, gun owners need not worry that they will have to unlawfully surrender their firearms.

 

[elderado]

 

[futurecurrents]

Hand guns and high lethality long guns should be banned. Possession = jail time.

One can protect the home just fine with rifles and shotguns. Carrying in public is for retarded man weenies with low self esteem.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Hand guns and high lethality long guns should be banned. Possession = jail time.

One can protect the home just fine with rifles and shotguns. Carrying in public is for retarded man weenies with low self esteem.

Too bad the criminals don't agree with you. If they did, no one would need to carry at all!

If only there was a way to make illegal guns more illegal-er.

 

[futurecurrents]

Too bad the criminals don't agree with you. If they did, no one would need to carry at all!

If only there was a way to make illegal guns more illegal-er.

If those guns are banned with mandatory jail for possession there would fewer and fewer. Thus fewer criminals would have them. Why this logic escapes you is a mystery.

Carrying in public is for insecure clowns with small penises. Makes them feel big and important instead of the losers they really are. I laugh at them.

 

[elderado]