Give up my guns?

[Tsing Tao]

Really, you have seen no argument against regulating function of new guns? No lower capacity magazines, no semi-auto features, no gun grip on semi auto rifles, bump stocks, etc...? And yes, the whole point is that it's for new sales, no one is stupid enough to think emission regulation should be applied to old cars.

Regulating the accessory of the gun isn't regulating the manufacture of the gun. Your argument was about emissions. Emissions are regulated through forcing car manufacturers to change manufacturing. Your argument wasn't an apples to apples comparison, you were just trying to be snarky. Unfortunately for you, I don't care about the snark and am just looking for a solution. You cannot regulate gun safety through the restriction of something already in mass circulation and capable of being 3D printed at will. You can put a law in place, but that doesn't mean the law will have any effect whatsoever.

However, if what you want to do is create gun laws and are less concerned with actually increasing safety, maybe that is your end. For me, it's about increasing safety and saving lives. Magazine restrictions don't save lives. And what is "no gun grip" on semi auto rifles. Do you even know what you are talking about here?

The point I'm making on the Columbine reference is that "it would take a long time so let's not do it" argument is stupid. You're right, I have no idea what strict gun control would have done to that chart. But one can surmise making things harder to obtain would dampen ownership. Something that's been true of pretty much every other good for sale in the history of mankind.

Making things harder to obtain if they aren't already obtained does work. But only if people don't already have them or aren't capable of getting them easily in some other fashion. Try banning ball point pens and see how far that gets you.

No, you're being stupid, I never said anything about people inside the wall or guns in circulation, you did. Tell me something, if I want a gun, am I a gun owner? The point I'm making is exactly on new gun sales. That has been obvious from the very first post on my wall comment. You can either agree a wall is effective for newcomers and as such stricter gun legislation is effective on new gun owners, OR you can admit a wall is stupid because people will bypass it, as someone who really wants a gun will bypass gun regulation. You can't have it both ways.

You tried making a comparison (again, you were more interested in snark) with this original comment:

Which is why walls don't work

as an answer to me saying that banning extended magazines won't work. I then stated that walls only work when someone isn't already inside what you are trying to wall in. If they are already inside, then walling in the object doesn't work - which should be obvious to anyone with a brain, right? People in your house? Locking your door doesn't help. People outside? Locking the door helps. Common sense.

You then went snarky here:

Oh, so preventing people from having access to something works then? Glad we're in agreement.

And again missed the point that preventing people from access works only if they don't already have the item you are trying to ban, or have alternative easy access around your ban. Again, to use the house analogy, if you lock the front door and people are outside the house, it works. But if they can still get in the back door it doesn't work.

Duh!!

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Another reason why the “We want to be your puppet masters” politicians are going after our guns is individualism, responsibility, and accountability in a society are an anathema to a Socialist philosophy. Why do you think men, especially apha men, have been under attack in this country? From the media pulling the plug on Howard Dean’s run for President after showing some enthusiastic leadership with his rallying crys to supporters to the Radical Left wanting to take down John Wayne’s statue at Orange County Airport in California. I always wondered why the Liberal media seemed to have a fixation on the NFL or almost anything testosterone related. Our fake media promotes emasculated men, fake genders, and those such as the woman formally known as Bruce Jenner who change their sex. Look at the positive to negative media coverage ratios versus a politician’s gender.

It seems clear to me there is a small group of powerful thinkers who have come up with a deep analysis and plan to implement Socialism. But one cannot foist Socialism upon a society that values individualism. Dependencies are encouraged or created through Government programs such as Obamacare, welfare, foodstamps, etc. for people, foreign immigrants or domestic citizens. The value of our citizenship are the rights we require and demand and not a group of politicians wanting to be Kings for certain people while they redistribute wealth and attempt to determine which rights they see fit.

Our Government functions best when basic community priorities such as infrastructure, education, efficient regulatory framework, and national defense are the focus and not vote mongering through social programs. But the absolute worst is when our politicians impliment or condone attacks on our culture that has made the United States experience unique in the history of the world. Our standard of living and economic opportunities are the sum total result of all the hard work and dedication of earlier generations who valued their opportunities. The American experience and our freedoms we enjoy and take for granted today were fought and died for by freedom loving individuals. They had to fight and die in order to create their own rights while a entity claimed sovereignty over them.

Never, ever, allow someone to convince you to surender part or all of your established rights and recognized freedoms. Even if or especially if they say it is for your own or society’s good. You have to fight to keep these rights because once lost, whatever political system is in place at the time will never, ever, give them back to you without a fight. With guns confiscated, how do you think a society’s fight over rights against the Government would go?

 

[Option_Attack]

 

[futurecurrents]

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Are these children killed by ms13 gangs, plano gang drive by shootings, or drug deals gone bad? Or could these be what babys who are killed in late term abortions would have looked like if they where allowed to grow up? It is well over a thousand to one of these kind of deaths versus school shootings, yet the Democrats do nothing or actually support increasing drug use among Americans.

Take your disingenuous fake ploys elsewhere, foreigner. You apparently either do not have the privilege to live your own life or make your own decisions or you don't want to and think no one else should either.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Are these children killed by ms13 gangs, plano gang drive by shootings, or drug deals gone bad? Or could these be what babys who are killed in late term abortions would have looked like if they where allowed to grow up? It is well over a thousand to one of these kind of deaths versus school shootings, yet the Democrats do nothing or actually support increasing drug use among Americans.

Take your disingenuous fake ploys elsewhere, foreigner. You apparently either do not have the privilege to live your own life or make your own decisions or you don't want to and think no one else should either.

Futurecurrents will never post pictures of all the kids who have been victims of gang shootings in Chicago, LA, Philly, etc. Because those don't push a narrative.

She doesn't care about children. She cares about using children to confiscate firearms. Period.

 

[elderado]

 

[Tsing Tao]

Another one for the good guys.

Texas home invasion suspect shot dead by homeowner's son: reports

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A home invasion in Houston turned deadly Tuesday evening after one of three suspects was fatally shot in the head by the son of the home. (Fox 26)

A suspected home intruder was fatally shot in the head in Houston on Tuesday while trying to escape with two other culprits, police said.

Shortly after arriving at his southwest Houston home, a father was pistol-whipped by three suspects who had forced him to open the door, police said. The father’s two daughters managed to hide in the closet and hit a panic alarm. The girls were eventually found and the suspects continued ransacking the home, First Coast News reported.

When the father’s wife and son arrived home, the suspects fled, the report said. As they were fleeing, the son retrieved a gun and shot one of the suspects in the head, reports said.

The mom managed to drive to a local police station unharmed, but the other two suspects stole the father’s car and fled the scene, KRTK-TV reported. The suspect who was shot was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. No other details were released.

 

[elderado]

Dems to an ACTUAL refugee: STFU.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Dems to an ACTUAL refugee: STFU.

The speaker, who came from Cuba in 1962, spoke very passionately in his Spanish accent against gun control, implying it was one of the first steps to the Communist takeover of Cuba. I wonder how many immigrants are this passionate on their trip to the US while they wave their home country’s flag?