Give the Afghan shooting soldier another chance

[cgroupman]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Wow, I'm not a liberal, but I'm shocked at this. You do realize that some of those shot were children who were sleeping in their bed. Let me ask you this..if someone had come into your home, shot your child in the head and killed him, would 1 months salary be compensation enough for you?

This soldier that you are calling a hero...his actions are going to get the real soldiers who are heros killed. Because let me tell you, if there was a foreign army and some of their soldiers broke into my home and shot my kid, I would not care who did it..that whole army is now my enemy and I would be taking pot shots at them every chance I got. So basically this 1 stupid fuck is probably going to get dozens of our soldiers, who did nothing wrong, killed.

I, too, am surprised by this, even here on ET. Killing children for no reason is not a LAPSE in JUDGEMENT, it's a horrible murder scene. Even if there turns out to be alcohol involved, which I don't know is true or not, it certainly is still a despicable act, no matter what.

And, the even bigger picture is that he is giving the world a view, a scene if you will, that demonstrates the lowest and basest of human behavior. So much for the moral highground we've employed forever, this gives the terrorists so much more ammo to recruit with. We invade countries, we kill women and children for no reason, wow.

As I said, we know we're the 'good guys' - but this takes away our credibility. No justification.


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[budcampbell]

Quote from cgroupman:

I, too, am surprised by this, even here on ET. Killing children for no reason is not a LAPSE in JUDGEMENT, it's a horrible murder scene. Even if there turns out to be alcohol involved, which I don't know is true or not, it certainly is still a despicable act, no matter what.

And, the even bigger picture is that he is giving the world a view, a scene if you will, that demonstrates the lowest and basest of human behavior. So much for the moral highground we've employed forever, this gives the terrorists so much more ammo to recruit with. We invade countries, we kill women and children for no reason, wow.

As I said, we know we're the 'good guys' - but this takes away our credibility. No justification.





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ET War Pigs would have you believe "he just has a problem".
Get him some debriefing counseling and everything is okay. Mission was one of execution and annihilation, plain and simple. Excuses, excuses, excuses!

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from cgroupman:

I, too, am surprised by this, even here on ET. Killing children for no reason is not a LAPSE in JUDGEMENT, it's a horrible murder scene. Even if there turns out to be alcohol involved, which I don't know is true or not, it certainly is still a despicable act, no matter what.

And, the even bigger picture is that he is giving the world a view, a scene if you will, that demonstrates the lowest and basest of human behavior. So much for the moral highground we've employed forever, this gives the terrorists so much more ammo to recruit with. We invade countries, we kill women and children for no reason, wow.

As I said, we know we're the 'good guys' - but this takes away our credibility. No justification.


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They were killing our "good guys" long before this happened. They were killing them before the korans were burned. The only thing that changes is the excuses.

Why is it so important what THEY think and so unimportant what WE think? Isn't that backwards? Why are in a place where they obviously don't want us? If the taliban returns and starts harboring terrorists, we can just bomb the snot out of them, and their pakistani supporters as well.

 

[CaptainObvious]

This was not a lapse in judgment, nor was it some crazy hillbilly with a go get some agenda. This was a guy who had had enough, wanted out and did what he believed would get him out. I can promise you this guy was in a mental state of hell and simply cracked up. Should he be excused with a hand slap? Obviously not! he should be locked up for a good long time. However, I can make you another promise. Nothing can be done to punish this guy more than he already has been. Nothing can be done that will hurt him. He simply doesn't give a fuck anymore. Seen it in my time, and when guy's go over the edge like this, there's no coming back for a long, long time, if ever.
I put the blame squarely where it belongs, which is with the military giving him the "fit for duty" stamp when he showed every sign that he wasn't, and on a government which willingly sacrifices our young men and women for their idiotic "hearts and minds" agenda, all "peace keeping" police efforts, all in order to fund the military industrial complex which funds political campaign coffers to keep it all going.

 

[ammo]

Quote from thehitman:

No, he should not be jailed. He was on 4 tours of duty and we should recognize what he has done for us.

We should not waste his skills as a special forces soldier.

When the time comes to teach Iran that we are boss, he should be part of such a mission.

We, the taxpayer, have spent many dollars on his training. He is good at killing the enemy, and made just one mistake recently. We should allow him to continue to hunt other enemies, such as Iran.

his head is likely busted beyond repair,giving him a gun and sending him into battle is a death sentence,he stopped being himself and became a soldier long ago,the military is partially to blame for sending him back out,if they did it again ,we would have to be liable,which ,from the sounds of it,no one is stepping up for the 1st incident..there has to be someone in the chain of command,above this guy who should be grilled,lies,lies and more lies,..wtf is going on in the US govt...vote out every mf'er that has rep or dem in front of his name, DC..a tsunami would'nt get it clean..we have to vote these fugs out

 

[cgroupman]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

They were killing our "good guys" long before this happened. They were killing them before the korans were burned. The only thing that changes is the excuses.

Why is it so important what THEY think and so unimportant what WE think? Isn't that backwards? Why are in a place where they obviously don't want us? If the taliban returns and starts harboring terrorists, we can just bomb the snot out of them, and their pakistani supporters as well.

Which 'they' ? Those kids? You're right about the fact we shouldn't even be there, or Iraq with no justification, but you can't give this guy a pass. We have many bad citizens, this one, although deserving of our sympathy, cannot be given a pass on this. The old Perry Mason argument of temporary insanity just doesn't apply.


Heaven the help the poor guy, and those poor families he murdered.


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[cgroupman]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

You conveniently leave out the part where the russians invaded Afghanistan because they had nothing but contempt for the Obama of that time, jimmy Carter. We were doing the afhgans a favor by helping them throw out an invader.

Later of course, we let things get out of hand under another weak president, Bill Clinton, when the taliban, a creation of pakistan's intelligence service, took over. Clinton passed up a golden oportunity to take out OBL, whne Special Forces operators literally had him in their sights, because there were women and children present at his terrorist camp.

We used to understand that in war, only one thing matters, winning. How many women and children did we kill in WW II with bombing of cities and fire bombing? The victors get to sort out who was a war criminal and who was a hero. That's why there is a monument to Lincoln and he wasn't hanged with Gen. Sherman as war criminals. That's why FDR and Churchill are venerated and weren't hanged after WW II.

Of course, this soldier transgressed, but our leaders have made far bigger errors by putting our troops in such an impossible situation and saddling them with rules of engagement designed to limit criticism from Karzai instead of fulfilling a commander's first duty, which is to protect his troops.

Nonsense. Using words like 'transgressed' is just a weak way to try to justify killing innocent children, really nice. This is not collateral damage, this is murder.

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[mgrund]

No chance, the law is the law- should be dispalined not enough to do that, what gets me is, in Afgan there are guards on the bases- to stop allied soldiers and the enemy from leaving the complex ( centurion duty) so I think this guy was maybe a guard and got disinchanted with the whole situation.Thats if it happened at all.

 

[mgrund]

As regards Churchill and FDR, it was policy at the time to bomb the german cities into submission, as this saved alot of men on the ground from dying, and also to show a strengh to Stalin.The ruskies have alot of " boots on the ground" but the RAF/USAF used tactical bombing not only to win the war, but to show the allied forces had air supremency- which all future wars will be won or lost by.

Jam their radars and bomb heavily- its tactical warfare.Luckily we have the ULTRA sytem in place which allows this

 

[thehitman]

Our hero is now in Kuwait, out of reach of the Afghan terrorists.

We need to get him back to the USA for punishment. He should be fined $15 for each innocent Afghan killed.

He should also be given a $200,000 bonus for his otherwise excellent work on 4 tours of duty, where I am sure he killed a truckload of muzzie terrorists.