Getting some pizza in America's largest city

[LEAPup]

While out running errands this afternoon, I decided to stop and get a couple slices, and a coke. While I'm sitting in a small mom and pop pizza shop in Jacksonville, FL, a black couple came in, I nodded my head and said "afternoon." They made eye contact with me, but wouldn't speak. A few minutes later, two black males came in, ordered, and sat across from me in a booth. I looked over and said "afternoon." Again, no answer. (And the black couple and these two guys weren't together.)

While I'm sitting there (the black couple in the booth in front of me), one of the two black males across from me literally turned his legs out in the aisle facing towards me, and stared at me. I looked over, and said "you all having a good vacation?" He said "no." I then said "good pizza here." He didn't answer.

I had my Glock 26 clipped (clip draw) in my waist band, and said to myself, this isn't looking good. I'm the ONLY white guy in here besides the people behind the counter running the place. I wiped the grease off my gun hand, and started eating with my left hand. I thought for a minute that my Glock may have been printing through my shirt, but it wasn't. None the less, I dropped my right arm down, and basically covered the pistol with my elbow.

While this guy's staring at me, I wanted to look over and ask "did you lose something over here?" But common sense got the better of me. I KNEW that had I even asked why are you staring me down, a confrontation would have started, and I CANNOT imagine the outcome if I would have had to use deadly force. After all, I'm white, and he's black. The patrons (would-be witnesses), were black... We all know Zimmerman was justified, but still his life was basically ruined... In America in 2013, I feel like I damned near can't protect myself with a gun if the attacker is black for fear of going to prison. What did I do? Simple. I had a slice left so I picked up the paper plate, my drink, and left. In martial arts, I know that the best fight is the one you don't have to fight. None the less, I was looking over my shoulder as I was going to my car.

What I want to know is what the fuck?!?!?!? I wasn't sitting there in a KKK outfit. I'm of Italian heritage, and look it. I acknowledged every black person who walked in with a nod and "afternoon."

All I could say to myself on the way home was "welcome to Jacksonville." The city here decided to take federal $ years ago, and integrate the hoods into regular/nice areas. There were once a few large hoods where people knew to stay away. Now, with the integration, you can be in Jax in a relatively nice, ordinary looking area, and a block down the road is a government housing mess. With that, there's absolutely NO WAY to know when or if you're in the bad part of town, and the bad part of town is spread all over the city. A FL Trooper's Wife told me recently that Jacksonville has surpassed Miami in murders and violent crime. Yes, guess who's behind 95% of the violent crime? Hint. It isn't white people. Instead of robbing stores, the blacks now walk in and murder the clerk, then take the $ and run. It's sick!

We've given blacks damned near everything we can possibly imagine. Job preference, money, free food, we treat them with kid gloves, we let them do damned near what they want, and let them run all over us. Just what is the solution to all of this? While I'm sitting there eating, I felt the hate from six feet away, and literally think the guy would have loved to kill me just for the fun of it...

 

[achilles28]

I used to deliver pizza in my teens and early twenties. Worked in west-end Toronto. Government housing everywhere. Welfare heads, blacks, drugs, prostitutes, gangs, broke-ass people normal part of the scenery. Going in to work on Friday nights, I didn't know if I'd make it home alive. Literally. 5 people were shot to death in a 2 block radius of my work, in the 4 years I worked there. Drive-bys happened at a few govt housing projects i delivered to regularly (4 guys shot to death at one). Mind you, I'm white. The area is 40% black, minority white. And this is Canada. No handgun for protection. I used to deliver pizza to a government "project" where crips openly sold crack at night in the courtyard. I'd walk right past them. Sometimes they'd hassle me, but I never knew if tonight was the night I'd get shot, jumped or stabbed. That was a real growing up experience for me. I will never live in an area again that's predominatly nonwhite, has public transit, with a significant population of government housing. Those are the red flags. I know exactly what you felt. I felt it myself many many times.....

D.A.N.G.E.R.

 

[LEAPup]

Quote from achilles28:

I used to deliver pizza in my teens and early twenties. Worked in west-end Toronto. Government housing everywhere. Welfare heads, blacks, drugs, prostitutes, gangs, broke-ass people normal part of the scenery. Going in to work on Friday nights, I didn't know if I'd make it home alive. Literally. 5 people were shot to death in a 2 block radius of my work, in the 4 years I worked there. Drive-bys happened at a few govt housing projects i delivered to regularly (4 guys shot to death at one). Mind you, I'm white. The area is 40% black, minority white. And this is Canada. No handgun for protection. I used to deliver pizza to a government "project" where crips openly sold crack at night in the courtyard. I'd walk right past them. Sometimes they'd hassle me, but I never knew if tonight was the night I'd get shot, jumped or stabbed. That was a real growing up experience for me. I will never live in an area again that's predominatly nonwhite, has public transit, with a significant population of government housing. Those are the red flags. I know exactly what you felt. I felt it myself many many times.....

D.A.N.G.E.R.

Small World. I delivered pizzas in High School. I lived in a rural area then, and it was all white. I never had a single problem besides the occasional dog that would nip me.

As for Jacksonville, EVERY NIGHT I watch the local news, the blacks have murdered someone again. A white 25 year old white girl working in a convenience store was murdered as soon as the thugs walked in. They didn't even bother to demand the $, they just shot her, took what they wanted and ran. A 22 year old white girl shot dead in her driveway in a nice neighborhood, and for no reason. It's constant, and it's spread all over the largest city in America thanks to liberalism, and votes. Yep, this integration sure worked well didn't it?

Next time Luke comes down, I'll take him through some nice neighborhoods, then literally the next street over, there will be blacks out selling drugs, and doing their thing. I've never seen anything like it in my life!

I've got black friends. My Mom and Dad used to flip shitty when one came over when we were kids, and said the n word. Hell, they threw him out of the house for saying it. Now, BOTH my Mom and Dad occasionally mutter the word nigger, and both carry guns. Unreal!

Looks like black America has damned near destroyed itself, and is almost wanting to go back to the 1940's. I really hate to say it, but I now agree with segregation. Study after study, and statistic after statistic has PROVEN that integration = much more crime. So sad.

What's the solution? I'm at a loss.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from LEAPup:

...Next time Luke comes down, I'll take him through some nice neighborhoods...

Fuck that, I got nice neighborhoods here. What do say we visit that pizza parlor? I love pizza.

 

[LEAPup]

Quote from Lucrum:

Fuck that, I got nice neighborhoods here. What do say we visit that pizza parlor? I love pizza.

WISH you and I had both been at that place this afternoon! The odds could have been a little more even. You with a 1911, and me with a Glock. I might have felt better asking, "did you lose something over here?" Lol! And yes, the pizza there is as good, if not better than many NY joints. I'm an Italian food junkie.

And believe it or not, this pizza place is in an ordinary looking area where crime is the last thought on my mind. Problem is, there's a gubment housing mess behind the shopping center. You know the rest...

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from LEAPup:

WISH you and I had both been at that place this afternoon! The odds could have been a little more even. You with a 1911, and me with a Glock. I might have felt better asking, "did you lose something over here?" Lol! And yes, the pizza there is as good, if not better than many NY joints. I'm an Italian food junkie.

And believe it or not, this pizza place is in an ordinary looking area where crime is the last thought on my mind. Problem is, there's a gubment housing mess behind the shopping center. You know the rest...

I'll start going back and fort to Stuart in November.

 

[LEAPup]

Quote from Lucrum:

I'll start going back and fort to Stuart in November.

Well, if you want pizza, let me know. I'm a WOP, and KNOW where the best pizza is here. There are about two places (believe it or not only two out of the literal dozens I've visited), that have pizza that's worthy of my praise. And yes, they have beer too. I'll be in on that. One is in a heavy tourist area, and basically safe. The other (where I was today), is in a nice area, but since there's a gubment housing mess behind the place, well... Bring your 1911. Lol!

And btw, lucky you living further north than me. Since I moved here, I've yet to find a place that serves a hotdog that's actually tasty. I don't know what it is about FL, but a good hotdog here is like trying to find a living t-rex.

It would have been nice to have had at least one other person in this pizza place today who could have backed me up so I could have asked mr hate-filled black man, "did you lose something over here?" What a fucked up mess WE have ALLOWED in America! I think smarter people should say enough is enough, and I'd back that up all the way!

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from LEAPup:

What I want to know is what the fuck?!?!?!? I wasn't sitting there in a KKK outfit. I'm of Italian heritage, and look it. I acknowledged every black person who walked in with a nod and "afternoon."

Just what is the solution to all of this?

Leap,

I understand your frustrations, and also many of the feelings of hatred you have for blacks and liberals.

Things have gotten pretty bad in places, and you are correct that even the communities that just a few years ago were deemed safe, are now rampant with gun violence.

It is true that the crime rate among the black community is much higher than it is among whites, and it is quite sad that things have progressed to the state they are in.

I know, too, that being in near constant fear for your life can have some pretty negative and long lasting affects on the human psyche.

I won't argue what you say about integration making things tougher for white folks either.

I can say this, however-

It's easy to ignore, or never even think about what life was like for the black community a few generations ago when segregation was still the law of the land.

No matter how much the black community is to blame- and they are- we shouldn't overlook too the role that white people have played in making the mess that things are now.

I know you've probably been told about slavery in America so I won't waste our time reminding you all the horrific details of those accounts.

But think about these points-

White people brought black people to America to trade and sell as livestock.

For centuries, the education that blacks received from whites came mostly in the forms of whips and chains.

They were taught that instead of sleeping in a warm cushy bed, in the cozy heat of a burning stove, they were only fit to sleep in the bug-ridden straw, the same as the other animals in the barn.

Even after the Emancipation Proclamation (the law which abolished slavery) whites continued to teach blacks how to live in WHITE society - but much of what they learned was that they simply were not good enough to attend the same schools, and to eat in the presence of whites.

They learned that if their child got sick, they had little more than God to pray for healing, as they simply wouldn't have been allowed into modern facilities to receive the same treatments that white folks were privileged to.

Lucrum remembers those days. "The good ole days"



I know that you, AAA, Capn Obvious and others are thinking, "When the hell are you pussy liberal leftists gonna quit crying about the past and start dealing with the now?"

We can deal with the now, too, if you like- but we'll never be able to deal with it in the right way if we can't come to terms with the evil that we spawned from, and that still lies within.



I would ask that you think about Why it is that the black man you are referring to seemed to be looking at you in the manner that he was.

We already know what was going through your mind at the moment you described- Fear, Ignorance, Prejudice, and perhaps a dash of Hatred.

But What was going on in that Americanized African skull of his?

Could it be that maybe he was a janitor at some point working in a nearly all white firm, where signs of white supremacy hang on the walls?

Perhaps day after day, he heard the jokes people were making about his race, and he felt the way his "superiors" looked down to him.

Maybe he just came from a pizza shop a few blocks away where there were a group of neo-nazis staring him down in the same way he was looking at you.

Or maybe he just read some of the outlandish hatred for the black community that gets posted on this forum day in and day out.



You did the right thing, Leap. You were polite, and even tried engaging in pleasant conversation.

When you realized the conversation returned wasn't as pleasant, and maybe even had a hostile undertone, you simply picked up your food and left.

Good man. Good solution.

Of course the guy that was staring at you, may never realize that your behavior was indeed superior to his, but none the less, you set a positive example for him and maybe others to follow.



Now, please ask yourself these questions?

What if Lucrum and his 1911 had been there with you?

What if the reason Lucrum accompanied you was simply because he wanted to go back into that same pizza joint where that nigger was giving you a hard stare?

You have already insinuated that had he been there with his gun too, your responses toward this guy's attitude might have been much different.

Is it inconceivable to think that the outcome may have turned out much worse- Not only for the rude black guy, but perhaps for you and Lucky too, as well as others?

 

[Grandluxe]

Quote from Hoofhearted:

Leap,

I understand your frustrations, and also many of the feelings of hatred you have for blacks and liberals.

Things have gotten pretty bad in places, and you are correct that even the communities that just a few years ago were deemed safe, are now rampant with gun violence.

It is true that the crime rate among the black community is much higher than it is among whites, and it is quite sad that things have progressed to the state they are in.

I know, too, that being in near constant fear for your life can have some pretty negative and long lasting affects on the human psyche.

I won't argue what you say about integration making things tougher for white folks either.

I can say this, however-

It's easy to ignore, or never even think about what life was like for the black community a few generations ago when segregation was still the law of the land.

No matter how much the black community is to blame- and they are- we shouldn't overlook too the role that white people have played in making the mess that things are now.

I know you've probably been told about slavery in America so I won't waste our time reminding you all the horrific details of those accounts.

But think about these points-

White people brought black people to America to trade and sell as livestock.

For centuries, the education that blacks received from whites came mostly in the forms of whips and chains.

They were taught that instead of sleeping in a warm cushy bed, in the cozy heat of a burning stove, they were only fit to sleep in the bug-ridden straw, the same as the other animals in the barn.

Even after the Emancipation Proclamation (the law which abolished slavery) whites continued to teach blacks how to live in WHITE society - but much of what they learned was that they simply were not good enough to attend the same schools, and to eat in the presence of whites.

They learned that if their child got sick, they had little more than God to pray for healing, as they simply wouldn't have been allowed into modern facilities to receive the same treatments that white folks were privileged to.

Lucrum remembers those days. "The good ole days"



I know that you, AAA, Capn Obvious and others are thinking, "When the hell are you pussy liberal leftists gonna quit crying about the past and start dealing with the now?"

We can deal with the now, too, if you like- but we'll never be able to deal with it in the right way if we can't come to terms with the evil that we spawned from, and that still lies within.



I would ask that you think about Why it is that the black man you are referring to seemed to be looking at you in the manner that he was.

We already know what was going through your mind at the moment you described- Fear, Ignorance, Prejudice, and perhaps a dash of Hatred.

But What was going on in that Americanized African skull of his?

Could it be that maybe he was a janitor at some point working in a nearly all white firm, where signs of white supremacy hang on the walls?

Perhaps day after day, he heard the jokes people were making about his race, and he felt the way his "superiors" looked down to him.

Maybe he just came from a pizza shop a few blocks away where there were a group of neo-nazis staring him down in the same way he was looking at you.

Or maybe he just read some of the outlandish hatred for the black community that gets posted on this forum day in and day out.



You did the right thing, Leap. You were polite, and even tried engaging in pleasant conversation.

When you realized the conversation returned wasn't as pleasant, and maybe even had a hostile undertone, you simply picked up your food and left.

Good man. Good solution.

Of course the guy that was staring at you, may never realize that your behavior was indeed superior to his, but none the less, you set a positive example for him and maybe others to follow.



Now, please ask yourself these questions?

What if Lucrum and his 1911 had been there with you?

What if the reason Lucrum accompanied you was simply because he wanted to go back into that same pizza joint where that nigger was giving you a hard stare?

You have already insinuated that had he been there with his gun too, your responses toward this guy's attitude might have been much different.

Is it inconceivable to think that the outcome may have turned out much worse- Not only for the rude black guy, but perhaps for you and Lucky too, as well as others?

I am sorry but in every country across the globe even without a slave history, wherever blacks are a significant minority, they are the underclass. Look at Western Europe, Brasil. Even when they are the majority, in South Africa, Uganda, Zimbabwe, etc, they are the underclass.

But anyway it doesn't matter because your messiah Obama has made things a lot worse for blacks than any white president ever could. Kinda like Mugabe.

 

[Hoofhearted]

Quote from Grandluxe:

I am sorry...

I won't argue that.

Quote from Grandluxe:

in every country across the globe even without a slave history, wherever blacks are a significant minority, they are the underclass.

So you wish to point out that you view blacks as an inferior race. That is fine, and I won't argue that either.

Hitler had the same kind of neo-barbarian darwinistic beliefs in which you share.

You just keep patting your proud white race on the back for its superiority.
I'm sure you'll be able to do this for at least a few more decades before it destroys most of the planet and mankind.

Quote from Grandluxe:

Look at Western Europe, Brasil.

Both places acquired their black populations through legal slave trade.

Africans didn't just show up in canoes, you know?

It is a bit amusing though, to see the way people itch in the beds they've made for themselves.

Quote from Grandluxe:

Even when they are the majority, in South Africa, Uganda, Zimbabwe, etc, they are the underclass.

Of course they are. Wherever white folks go, they make sure that the niggers know their place.

Quote from Grandluxe:

... your messiah Obama...

Anyone who knows me, knows that Obama is not my messiah.

I probably don't think about him nearly as much as you do.

You don't know me, and you obviously just made that up.

So, You want to play make believe? Ok, I'll play your little game.

I believe that your grandpa taught your dad to stay ignorant in the same way that your daddy taught you> He buttfucked him into submission. :eek:


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