Getting down and dirty is where the rubber meets the road ...

[ETLURKER]

DKM:

ATS for this methodology here:



http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147441&perpage=6&pagenumber=1


ATS = programmatic MADA according to binary gate logic with no uncertain conditions.

 

[tackrl]

"VE's on the LTL (acceleration); expansion (faster observable movements all within parallelograms); "

jack,

can you post a chart showing the difference between
VE and expansion?

thanks

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from tackrl:

"VE's on the LTL (acceleration); expansion (faster observable movements all within parallelograms); "

jack,

can you post a chart showing the difference between
VE and expansion?

thanks

Draw two parallel lines. Label them LTL and RTL.

Assigne three zones to price and all after point 3 of he given pattern: 1. one inside the lines; 2. one on and outside the rtl; and 3. one on an outside the LTL.

VE's occur on parts of patterns in zone 3. Expansion occurs in zone 1. Fanning occurs in zone 2.

What happens in zones is the pattern is being forwarded in the pattern's order of events.

By point three in any pattern the following has ocurred: B2B 2R or R2 2B.

What is left at a minumum is either a 2B or 2R, respectively. What is left if the minimum is exceeded is other non dominant moves or dominant moves in an alternating order of events.

A trending day makes a good example. Trending moe commonly appears on slower and slower fractals. It is possible on the slower fractals for have trends that last for weeks, months and years. Here the zone of concern is zone 1. Legs alternate as the order of events. As a person drills into the legs he sees the full pattern completed and repeated over and over. The name expasion applies to this characteristic of trending.

The VE's of zone 2 afford the trder the cogent view of end effects by "accelerating" the boundaries on that fractal. Changing the slope of the RTL by steepening it usually creates an end to the pattern being completed.

During the use of zone 1, often there is an occurance of "cancellation: whereby a faster fractal pattern is extinguished as a consequence of the limits of the parallelogram being exceeded. This happens on the second part of the order of events of forming the pattern.

fortuneately all the drills for getting to the point of understanding the interrelationships of all the zones have been presented. Gradually, through their use in building the nested fractals, the meachanics of thorough annotating become clear.

The medical model is a good example of how tranference of what becomes a differentiated mind works:see one; do one:teach one. One refers to a person.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from frenchfry:

Hi Jack,

quick verification... In this sentence: "...We do NOT connect which ends of EACH pair of bars..." Did you mean to use the word "each" instead of "which"?

Thanks

I tried to paraphrase David. I sensed that he was connected "last bars to prior bars for every last bar.

I was trying to direct him to doing annotation of patterns instead.

To construct the operation of the market so it can be analyzed, decisions made and actions taken requires knowing that you know.

Doing a routine solves the problem of being in the dark in terms of knowing that you know.

To do the routine the mind has to be available for the task. Mot of my posts are designed to take a person who has decided to be competent to get from point A to point B. Point A is the "observer". Point B is the expert who extracts the offer.

as you see in this thread there are all sorts of people. For me, it is important that people filter themselves "away" from the process of building their minds to the level of competence if they are not committed to doing work.

You can imagine the spectrum of "observers" who design their respective approaches to filter themselves "away" from building their minds.

Through completing the cycle of failure for batches of "observers", the cycle, naturally repeats inself. And there is the added kicker of the OCD types of "observers" who fail.

The goal of the potential expert trader is a differentiated mind. The mechanism is purposeful work.

A part of the "observer" spectrum, concentrates on avoiding proven work techniques.

On the other hand, a person who has done the work, trades in the same manner as driving a car. On any given day, he resides in a zone that is bounded by the Present on the left and the near future on the right. He continually examines the future forming and coming into the present. this is done by using a routine that works faster that the future is forming. In terms of information, it is anticipated; in terms of feelings it is coherence as decribed by support, compfort and confidence.

The standard of making money is extracting the offer. The first backetest to learn to do is to determine the continuing offer. With that standard a person can build a core and add shell after shell of iterative refinement.

Any "observer" can determine that the market's daily offer is in a range of 3 to 6 times ATR. In terms of market capacity, that value can be used to determine the limits of extraction.

 

[TIKITRADER]

ES Monthly Chart May 2010 - Intrabar

Intrabar break of right trendline from March 2009.
Looking for increased volume and a close outside of March 2009 right trendline, at the close of this May 2010 monthly bar, for confirmation of a Point 3 down Monthly

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from Trader666:

Jack, where on ET is this?

Correction.

For readers, the number of trades was 31 and not 310. you can verify this from the original thread. Additionally, the entry partial fills were 20 even.

The process was to regard the T&S and total cummulative volume as the day unfolded. The T&S provides the range of block sizes. From that range, the partial fill size was determined. Most trades were 3,000 shares to get to the 100,000 share total.

A schedule of partial fills was managed by keeping the total fills @ 10 percent of the cummulative total.

There was a partial failure to extract all of the offer; about 200,000 dollars was left of the table. What happened was the decision was made to trade into the peak across the peak (an even harmonic for the most part, and if necessary to continue down off the peak. Going into midday and around the time of "settlement" it was noticed that there was a lag in brocker rep performance in maintaining the fills @ 10% of cummulative. A catch up was instituted and we came off the peak and donw somewhat after the peak.

If you want to compare this with the misguided fuckup of T666 where he took 24,000 trades to leave 400,000 on the table (18 to 20 a trade); what was left on the table that day was half of T666's losses. 31 trades left 200,000 on the table and the resulting net was only 1,700,000 dollars for that day.

Apparently it is difficult to run the search on this for some people. I'm sure many things were mentioned and those who have records have several items that make it convenient. These would include:

1. The provacateur's ID.

2. The third party's ID he lined up of his own accord.

3. The set of people who joined with the provacateur to pressure me to provide this particular trade I announce and outlined the order of events involved.

4. The stock traded and all the partial fill data in the ET thread.

5. The third party verification.

6. The third party offer of discount trading in the third patry's IB.

7. The third party's addresses for communication purposes.

Since the data was returned from the third party, I was provided with the "originals" via FedEx from an expeditor involved in the matter.

 

[jack hershey]

Quote from TIKITRADER:

ES Monthly Chart May 2010 - Intrabar

Intrabar break of right trendline from March 2009.
Looking for increased volume and a close outside of March 2009 right trendline, at the close of this May 2010 monthly bar, for confirmation of a Point 3 down Monthly

While we are on the humor of T666, those who have been tracking the humor may want to note the appearance of the activity around 01SEP09.
Look at the present operational parallelogram.

The fanning functions is illustrated here as you see. One aspect of it is to deal with the zone associated with LTL of the original Bull retrace of the Depression.

I the point I mentioned, which was significant to me in terms of this Depression, it was not longer possible to approach the LTL in the future. As you have read, there are three zones in parallelograms and each has its own iterative refinement. The zone around the LTL is one of those zones.

T666 keeps fucking up at often it is at my expense except for the huge humor it provides instead. Here you see his unawareness of who he is dealing with (secondly) and you also get to see his ignorance (firstly) which he uses to make a contining fool of himself and others who join his disengenuous preciptation of intense anger, fear and anxiety.

Have another fucking laugh.

 

[jack hershey]

Let's get back to business.

What I will do in short order is make a list of all the learning steps for PEP and its applications.

I will do it level by each evel of skill and knowledge from a learning perspective.

In this way you can track, in a simple way, your progress to a differentiated mind.

I will do a followup discertation on the goals of each level. I have thousands of illustrations of the learning process. for those who collect documents the tip of the iceberg is found in the five main documents that have been proferred and circulated.

Sorry for the pause, but the foil's post triggered the humor I posted. Then the overall Depression chart included the points 1, 2 and 3 on one very significant post. the detractor posts wouldn't be expected to containe the points....LOL...

 

[jack hershey]

Just as a trial balloon here is the Observer Level (ET version of Word)

Just check off the topics as something that is history for you. I do have to deal with new people so I do have an observer level which must be handled.

New people come into an awareness of the markets through some means. At some point they connect to the idea that money can make money. A portion of these people make the decision to do making money with moiney.

The may run across PEP and its applications. This is where we begin here.

There was never an intention to filter people originally; it just was a positive effect of PEP and it applicatioins. The aspect of passing it forward was because of the benefits. Since people were using money made to help others as a "natural" since it was a left over and there were needs all over, passing it forward included introducing this natural aspect of human nature.

 

[jack hershey]

Beginner is next. I will just start with I Markets, piece by piece.