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Building TF3. Multiple fanning through sequential internals. Are we simply fanning the rtl of the 1st dom faster fractal or are we going to p3 to create the TF RTL? The process of fanning does not seem to tell us.
 

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OK. First attempt to group faster fractal tapes into Trading Fractals (TF). The day begins with a carry over TF1 with its FTT on bar 4. TF2 ends at bar 15 with ftt of 3rd faster fractal, creating p1 of TF3. The first faster fractal ends at bar 19 with ftt, and bars 19 and 20 form the rtl of our short faster fractal.

This is where I hit a problem. We do not appear to have an ftt on bar 20 yet bar 21 clearly creates an up tape so I would expect my TF RTL to connect low of bar 15 to low of bar 20 (thick dashed black). Bar 22 is my long ftt so I would be expecting a short TF to begin here. Bar 23 is a sym, bar 24 is a stitch, with a low equal to the low of bar 22 so I cannot draw an rtl for a new short faster fractal tape. The high of bar 35 (11:35) exceeds the high of bar 22 (green line) so I am forced to fan the RTL of TF3. However, I would expect to be short from the ftt at bar 22 so I am upside down.

Bar 25 and 26 give me a new rtl and an ftt on bar 26. Bar 27 has LH LL and creates a short rtl which gets fanned to the high of bar 28, giving me a horizontal rtl as we leave the ftt and FTT behind at bar 26.

I am now looking to create TF4 with short, long, short (dom, nondom, dom) faster fractal tapes. Things get interesting at bar 36 with sequential ftp, sym, ob,ftp, ftp, through which I assume we fan our rtl, across to bar 40. Bars 41 and 42 accelerate the rtl, with an ftt on bar 42. Bar 43 creates an up tape with ftt and bar 44 a down tape with ftt on bar 45, thus creating TF4.

TF5 seems straightforward with ftt and FTT on bar 58.

Bar 59 begins TF6, and our first ftt occurs on bar 63. The non dom long ftt occurs on bar 66. Bars 67 and 68 create the 2nd dom leg of our short TF and we get ftt on bar 69. This is where I would expect long TF7 to begin but there is no opportunity to draw a long rtl before the low of bar 69 is exceeded by bar 74 (green line), so my TF6 RTL cannot be correct. Once again I am upside down on bar 74.
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Briefly speaking, I was unable to get a cross to you how building nesting fractals works.

I think I did convey some knowledge to you about working in an orderly manner using the rules of parallelograms and combing these rules with the rules of handling cases.

that is whwere it stops as I see the results of this illustration you made.


I believe I made a mistake in just giving you an answer sheet for the trading fractal FTT's on the DKM 107 8 post. And I mentally extrapolated that YOU could but in a provisional SLOW FRACTAL CONTAINER AS A BOUNDARY FOR THE TRADING FRACTALS.

In DKM 107 8 I put in both the FTT's and the related NEW FTT's.

Here is DKM 107 8 as a specific illustration.

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Here is where we begin to continue to think.


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Every day all people using SCT do carry over on three fractal levels, at least.

At the beginning of this thread and for many years this point has been made over and over and over.

Because I had such a small amount of carryover to work with, I just "worked" to build what was possible from what I had to work with.

this is what it is like when giving drills to people to set them on a course for success. you begin with the raw material and get it to begin to "operate" in a way that is deductive. A logical thinking process is the result and it conforms to the great work of the critical thinkers of our times.

we use guys like Keynes and Carnap and avoid all the probabilistic nonsense that came from the gamblers of the world. We vavoid ant thinking that is built on the convenience of induction which leads, as these very people have determined, to nowhere. ewe are not looking a swan feather colors to see that incomplete stsat sample have no rational yield.
 

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HERE IS WHAT WAS GOING ON.

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Since we did not have "sufficient" and cogently provided carryover, it was necessary to begin to WORK with what was available and just eliminate all mistakes and replace these with results of introducing anotating rudimentary rules from M of MADA.
 

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So if it is possible to see that there is an absense of a short LTL line undrwan on the trading fractal level, then it is possible to see that subsequent VE on the undrawnn LTL affords a NEW FTT to end a "short trading fractal pattern with a NEW FTT for that trading fractal pattern.

I put in theNEW FTT as a best effort to mak it possible to get to three levels of nested fractals where all the patterns of each fractal were operating "according to Hoyle". Hoyle is a bridge authority of the generations (my definition ) in which I grew up. Hoyle was a stickler for creating outstanding excellent bridge players and judges.

for me I see all the crap of the PA and the CW and the OODA betting traders who wreck their lives by being irrational and by looking for shortcuts to oblivion or a daily OCD demonstration to keep their insnaity alive and unwell.

The market has an oder of events. the order of events generates a pattern in each of all the interlocking fractals.

Read Lo of MIT and see how NSF is shit canning federal dollar aftr dollarer to perpetuate the ignorance of the financial industry. Do the reading as an exercise in citical thinking to see how induction is stupid and sneseless.

There is no point in looking at charts and trying to emulate the lines on the charts. the objective is to learn to think in a critical way and apply logic in a thoroughly deductive manner.

By adding the C and D as a consequence of KNOWING there is an A and B in the space of the regions shown, you get to BUILD a pitiure of the actual NESTING of fractals according to a rigorour inter-fractal pattern relationship.

This means there is a NEW FTT that ends a short trading fractal which was PART OF THE CARRYOVER.

The moral of the story is that all SCT traders do carryove on at least three fractals.

We are now on the economic and econometric levels of global things looking at the advent of point 3 of this depression where since 01SEP09 ther has been no chance of reaching the LTL of the Bull retrace (non dominant) of the Bear Depression that began with moving from point 1 to point 2. In simple retail amateur trading terms this means we as SCT traders are surrounded with a lot of economic and econometric events that are making CW and OODA perople unhappy with their lot in the infinite scheme of things.

We do not get dealt bad hands, ever. the ecomomy does, however, and those in the hierarchy of money, power and information are SOL since they use CW based information.

It is our job to participate in solving local problems, however, sice we have the means.

this is an infomation based thread for, we who reside at the top of the hierarchy.
 
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Using the same principles on the 15 min chart suggests that TF6 RTL should be fanned out to bar 71 on the 5 min.
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This chart you showed backs up the points I just made.

SCT traders do not find it necessary to use different lenghth bar charts to understand what is going on. We use MADA and the annotating rules of M of MADA.

This chart could have shown the short trading fractal I mentioned and just how A and B, then C and D related.

Three is a choice made by traders to use multi charts or to use nested fractals. A good example of the drawbacks of using multi charts is rdneck's belief system.

Nested fractals use the interlocking relationship of fractals all based on the pattern relationship. This is a result of deductive critical thinking which yields an anomaly and noise free system. As we all see anomalies are traded in CW and OODA and noise is considered ever present (See Lo noise eliminating paradigm which subsequently destroys any possibility of examining patterns, musch less the pattern of PEP and its applications).

As you see as you use multicharts on different durations, you darw different lines from differnet points chat to chart. this is a very tough mental place to be operating from.

The objective is to use the five minute chart correctly and consistently.
 
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This chart you showed backs up the points I just made.

SCT traders do not find it necessary to use different lenghth bar charts to understand what is going on. We use MADA and the annotating rules of M of MADA.

This chart could have shown the short trading fractal I mentioned and just how A and B, then C and D related.

Three is a choice made by traders to use multi charts or to use nested fractals. A good example of the drawbacks of using multi charts is rdneck's belief system.

Nested fractals use the interlocking relationship of fractals all based on the pattern relationship. This is a result of deductive critical thinking which yields an anomaly and noise free system. As we all see anomalies are traded in CW and OODA and noise is considered ever present (See Lo noise eliminating paradigm which subsequently destroys any possibility of examining patterns, musch less the pattern of PEP and its applications).

As you see as you use multicharts on different durations, you darw different lines from differnet points chat to chart. this is a very tough mental place to be operating from.

The objective is to use the five minute chart correctly and consistently.
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I presume that your comment regarding multicharts is a reference to me looking at the 15 min. I did this assuming that the criteria for drawing tapes should be valid regardless of timeframe. However, I will make no further use or reference to any timeframe other than the 5 min.

Within the limitation of transference using only text, I thought that I was applying the 10 cases correctly in order to draw faster fractal rtl's from the ftt/FTT that was agreed at bar 4. Following bar 4 the only bar that an internal is bar 9. This I considered to be combined with bar 8, and fanned the rtl accordingly. You are now saying that an FTT (uppercase) exists at bar 10. Please explain where and how I have missed the non dom faster fractal between bar 4 and bar 10.

The attached chart is an attempt to take the annotations further back into 4/29 where you suggest that I need to consider context. I fail to see how this would lead me to see an FTT at bar 10.

"The objective is to use the five minute chart correctly and consistently."

I agree. This is my single objective.
 

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