Germany Rejects Obama’s Call on Growth

[bearice]

June 21 (Bloomberg) -- Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government rebuffed U.S. calls to focus on bolstering growth over debt reduction, setting a course for conflict at the Group of 20 summit in Canada this week.

“Nobody can seriously dispute that excessive public debts, not only in Europe, are one of the main causes of this crisis,” Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble told reporters in Berlin today alongside Merkel. “That’s why they have to be reduced.”

Germany is holding to G-20 commitments on exit strategies from fiscal stimulus, and “not violating international requirements for a coordinated strategy for sustainable growth,” Schaeuble said. “We will face up to the international debate and I think we can do that with a great deal of self- confidence,” he said.

Five days before G-20 leaders meet in Toronto, the economic-policy divide between Europe and the U.S. is hardening. President Barack Obama, in a letter to his G-20 counterparts dated June 16, urged a focus on economic growth, saying order to public finances should be restored in the “medium term.”

German Economy Minister Rainer Bruederle, at a separate press conference earlier today, said the U.S. must join Europe in “urgently” cutting spending.

“It’s urgently necessary for monetary stability that public budgets return to balance,” Bruederle said. “This is something we should also tell our American friends.”

Canada’s ‘Minimum’

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in his own letter to G-20 counterparts, said June 18 that he wants leaders to agree to a target of reducing their deficits by half by 2013, and to stabilize or begin reducing their ratios of debt-to- output by 2016.

The European Union is “somewhat wary” of these targets because Europe’s goals are more ambitious, according to a senior EU finance official, who said the proposals by Canada should be the “minimum.”

“A number of advanced countries will have to go further,” said the official, who spoke to reporters in Brussels today on the condition of anonymity. “For us, it has to be absolutely clear that this is a minimum.”

European G-20 members will make deficit reduction a central theme in Toronto, Merkel said June 19 in a video message on the Internet.

“We will talk about when we’ll switch from the phase of economic stimulus programs toward lasting budget consolidation,” Merkel said. “In the opinion of Europe’s participants, and especially Germany, this is urgently necessary.”

‘Unity of Purpose’

Whereas Obama called on the G-20 to reaffirm its “unity of purpose to provide the policy support necessary to keep economic growth strong,” Merkel said that “it’s not about growth at any price, it’s about sustainable” growth.

She said June 11 that she expects to have a “hard time” at the summit, with pressure from fellow leaders to spend to boost growth while she sees “no alternative” to budget savings.

Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said the U.S. isn’t worried about “loose monetary policy” and said it would be a risk for the euro region to allow Axel Weber, president of the Bundesbank, to succeed Jean-Claude Trichet as head of the European Central Bank, German newspaper Handelsblatt reported

“If you’re looking for somebody who aims at an inflation rate of zero percent while unemployment rises to 13 percent, then Weber is certainly the right man,” the newspaper quoted Krugman as saying.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_NaXNJXVrTs&pos=8

 

[Ivanovich]

Quote from bearice:


Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in his own letter to G-20 counterparts, said June 18 that he wants leaders to agree to a target of reducing their deficits by half by 2013, and to stabilize or begin reducing their ratios of debt-to- output by 2016.

The only way this can even be remotely possible is to send the world into a deep recession/depression almost immediately. Since that alternative is not politically viable, halving deficits by 2013 is nothing more than a hilariously tragic joke.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from Ivanovich:

The only way this can even be remotely possible is to send the world into a deep recession/depression almost immediately. Since that alternative is not politically viable, halving deficits by 2013 is nothing more than a hilariously tragic joke.

The only viable options are (1) take significant pain NOW and set our course onto a better path, or (2) continue on the same path and set our course for DISASTER/COLLAPSE LATER... and not "all that much later".. for the postpone-crats.

With an election "always around the corner", how can we ever expect for the power politicos to opt for anything other than "remedies (Haha) postponed until later"... regardless of the damage inflicted?

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from Ivanovich:

The only way this can even be remotely possible is to send the world into a deep recession/depression almost immediately. Since that alternative is not politically viable, halving deficits by 2013 is nothing more than a hilariously tragic joke.

What do you mean? According to the EU halving it is the BARE MINIMUM!

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from Scataphagos:



With an "election always around the corner", how can we ever expect for the power politicos to opt for anything other than "remedies postponed until later"... regardless of the damage inflicted?

If only there were some form of government that didn't need to worry about those pesky elections. Some form of government that could stay in power for long periods of time! Yeah, then we'd see some real progress, I'm sure of it!

 

[endsongs]

Quote from bearice:

June 21 (Bloomberg) -- Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government rebuffed U.S. calls to focus on bolstering growth over debt reduction, setting a course for conflict at the Group of 20 summit in Canada this week.

“Nobody can seriously dispute that excessive public debts, not only in Europe, are one of the main causes of this crisis,” Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble told reporters in Berlin today alongside Merkel. “That’s why they have to be reduced.”

Germany is holding to G-20 commitments on exit strategies from fiscal stimulus, and “not violating international requirements for a coordinated strategy for sustainable growth,” Schaeuble said. “We will face up to the international debate and I think we can do that with a great deal of self- confidence,” he said.

Five days before G-20 leaders meet in Toronto, the economic-policy divide between Europe and the U.S. is hardening. President Barack Obama, in a letter to his G-20 counterparts dated June 16, urged a focus on economic growth, saying order to public finances should be restored in the “medium term.”

German Economy Minister Rainer Bruederle, at a separate press conference earlier today, said the U.S. must join Europe in “urgently” cutting spending.

“It’s urgently necessary for monetary stability that public budgets return to balance,” Bruederle said. “This is something we should also tell our American friends.”

Canada’s ‘Minimum’

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in his own letter to G-20 counterparts, said June 18 that he wants leaders to agree to a target of reducing their deficits by half by 2013, and to stabilize or begin reducing their ratios of debt-to- output by 2016.

The European Union is “somewhat wary” of these targets because Europe’s goals are more ambitious, according to a senior EU finance official, who said the proposals by Canada should be the “minimum.”

“A number of advanced countries will have to go further,” said the official, who spoke to reporters in Brussels today on the condition of anonymity. “For us, it has to be absolutely clear that this is a minimum.”

European G-20 members will make deficit reduction a central theme in Toronto, Merkel said June 19 in a video message on the Internet.

“We will talk about when we’ll switch from the phase of economic stimulus programs toward lasting budget consolidation,” Merkel said. “In the opinion of Europe’s participants, and especially Germany, this is urgently necessary.”

‘Unity of Purpose’

Whereas Obama called on the G-20 to reaffirm its “unity of purpose to provide the policy support necessary to keep economic growth strong,” Merkel said that “it’s not about growth at any price, it’s about sustainable” growth.

She said June 11 that she expects to have a “hard time” at the summit, with pressure from fellow leaders to spend to boost growth while she sees “no alternative” to budget savings.

Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman said the U.S. isn’t worried about “loose monetary policy” and said it would be a risk for the euro region to allow Axel Weber, president of the Bundesbank, to succeed Jean-Claude Trichet as head of the European Central Bank, German newspaper Handelsblatt reported

“If you’re looking for somebody who aims at an inflation rate of zero percent while unemployment rises to 13 percent, then Weber is certainly the right man,” the newspaper quoted Krugman as saying.

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_NaXNJXVrTs&pos=8

Hard to believe that someone actually agrees with me that drastically and mercilessly cutting federal spending is the only way to save western economies for the long run. Every dog has its day... It is very cold somewhere very deep underground now...

 

[trefoil]

A reply from one of the few, the sane, and therefore the ignored:

Why plans for early fiscal tightening carry global risks

...far from being stabilising, premature fiscal retrenchment threatens destabilisation of the world economy. In this case, a decision to turn the eurozone into a huge Germany would – and should – be seen as an act of mercantilist warfare upon the US. How long would the latter put up with the hypocrisy of surplus countries that blame borrowers for the deficits their own surpluses make inevitable? Not much longer, would be my guess, at least now that the US government has become the world’s borrower of last resort.

Yes, I understand that huge fiscal deficits make people nervous. I understand, too, the desire to make solvency credible. But following fiscal rules blindly, while ignoring what is going on in the private sector or in external balances, is a recipe for disappointment and political conflict. Fiscal stabilisation that supports growth is welcome. Premature fiscal stabilisation that undermines it is yet another folly.

 

[traderlux]

....germany will do what is best for germany, the german people will go along with it because that is their culture....

....germany is not a friend of the usa, in fact we have NO friends. across the world we are either hated or laughed at and it is only getting worse....

....in fact in our own country the usa is hated by the left, and laughed at by the right...and getting worse....

Quote from trefoil:

A reply from one of the few, the sane, and therefore the ignored:

Why plans for early fiscal tightening carry global risks

...far from being stabilising, premature fiscal retrenchment threatens destabilisation of the world economy. In this case, a decision to turn the eurozone into a huge Germany would – and should – be seen as an act of mercantilist warfare upon the US. How long would the latter put up with the hypocrisy of surplus countries that blame borrowers for the deficits their own surpluses make inevitable? Not much longer, would be my guess, at least now that the US government has become the world’s borrower of last resort.

Yes, I understand that huge fiscal deficits make people nervous. I understand, too, the desire to make solvency credible. But following fiscal rules blindly, while ignoring what is going on in the private sector or in external balances, is a recipe for disappointment and political conflict. Fiscal stabilisation that supports growth is welcome. Premature fiscal stabilisation that undermines it is yet another folly.

 

[trefoil]

Quote from traderlux:

....germany will do what is best for germany, the german people will go along with it because that is their culture....

....germany is not a friend of the usa, in fact we have NO friends. across the world we are either hated or laughed at and it is only getting worse....

....in fact in our own country the usa is hated by the left, and laughed at by the right...and getting worse....

I and everyone else is quite aware of all that. Does it change the economic assessment?