germany and the EU

[zdreg]

Quote from loza:

unless you are german or EU member what is it to you? My point unless you have missed it, that germany, unlike stupid nations, is taking the long term view, for the sake of her industry and workers!! If I lived in EU (and I have an EU passport), I would be against it, unless of course my workplace and investment is in germany... duhh? Other than that I UNDERSTAND why China or germany is doing it, and why the rest of the monkeys on ET are puzzled....

we are in agreement but your post shows that your knowledge of english is either insufficient or u previously mixed me up with somebody else. of course u are right about the monkeys on ET.

 

[zdreg]

Quote from intradaybill:

You put him to think and this is not good for a German. They just take orders.

it is always nice to be attacked from both sides.

you put him to think is phrased awkwardly.
is English your native language?

 

[loza]

I am not confusing you with anyone. You asked me the point blank question and I have pointed it out that the answer is more ambiguous...I was writing the earlier post at work...that explains the text...
I have no ambitions to move back to Europe and I am fully aware of the animosity of eastern Europeans have with big multinationals that with the EU backing rolled over them like bulldozers.
This is the cost of being a member of the club. There could never be EU with out the Germans as they are the powerhouse of Europe economically. They are educated, efficient and hard working, they want to make things...
They also have a greater social structure and safety net...sometimes I wonder who won the WWII and who lost?

Quote from zdreg:

we are in agreement but your post shows that your knowledge of english is either insufficient or u previously mixed me up with somebody else. of course u are right about the monkeys on ET.

 

[C6H12O6]

Today's news:

German economy shrinks 5 percent in 2009, easily worst performance since WWII
Exports were down a price-adjusted 14.7 percent, while imports were down 8.9 percent, the office said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9548083

German Economy Stagnated in Fourth Quarter
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aDtuJfp0QuC4


I understand that Germany is a producer, it needs buyers for its products.
zdreg's poll has 9 "yes" answer, so I assume that at least 9 people agree with zdreg's opening statement: Germany subsidizes the latins.
Please would you be so kind as to explain how they do it ? a link ?

 

[dumb_mother]

it was just a continuation of war crime repayment- i've been saying for a long time germany should leave those freeloaders- just look how much france still gets in farm subsidies from them. grow up- no one that matters can still remember ww2 or slavery, no one owes the victims anything.

 

[zdreg]

Quote from dumb_mother:

it was just a continuation of war crime repayment- i've been saying for a long time germany should leave those freeloaders- just look how much france still gets in farm subsidies from them. grow up- no one that matters can still remember ww2 or slavery, no one owes the victims anything.

farm subsidies having nothing to do with WWII

there are survivors in their 70's, 80's and 90's who remember quite clearly what happened during the war. the victims are owed till the day they die.
there is an anti-semitic undertone to your post. be a man and make your beliefs clear.

 

[dumb_mother]

Quote from zdreg:

farm subsidies having nothing to do with WWII

there are survivors in their 70's, 80's and 90's who remember quite clearly what happened during the war. the victims are owed till the day they die.
there is an anti-semitic undertone to your post. be a man and make your beliefs clear.

not anti-semetic
anti-victimage

in todays day in age no one will accept responsibility for anything. everyone's struggles can be explained away by some ridiculous boogie man no matter how far away or long ago. no one is a victim today, and no one should feel the need to care for lazy strangers.

back to the original post- germany should feel no need to subsidize the rest of europe for no benefit of their own as they have been since ww1 through various international groups.

 

[zdreg]

Quote from C6H12O6:

zdreg, could you briefly explain how Germany is subsidizing the latin members ?
Seriously. Because I live in a "latin member", but I can't figure out how they are doing it.

Less seriously, one of my cars is a Mercedes, so I have subsidized their car industry. How much Parmigiano Reggiano and red wine should germans buy to compensate for my Mercedes ?

a similar example:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brunowaterfield/4070031/EU_farm_subsidies_are_food_for_thought/

 

[Misthos]

Quote from zdreg:


there are survivors in their 70's, 80's and 90's who remember quite clearly what happened during the war. the victims are owed till the day they die.

My father was a young kid during WWII in Greece. A German fighter pilot thought it would be fun to shoot at him as he was herding his family's flock of sheep in the countryside. The bullets hit the ground right behind him. If those bullets landed two feet over, I wouldn't be here today.

Years later after WWII, a couple young cousins of my dad were blown to bits when they found an old german grenade from the war.

The families of the two kids got nothing from Germany.

I have a lot of respect for modern day Germany, but when I hear the greek old timers speak of WWII and their personal experiences, I share in their disgust.