That’s not what the article says. What is alarming about these 14 Sailors is that they had symptoms twice. This goes way beyond the tests.
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That’s not what the article says. What is alarming about these 14 Sailors is that they had symptoms twice. This goes way beyond the tests.
The article says, "appeared to have recovered". What exactly is recovered? I have had, and safe to assume we all have had a bad cold or the flu, went through the worst if it, felt better only to feel a bit crappy a couple days later. Point being symptoms can linger. I don't see this as unusual at all. There is no magic number of days to be symptom free from this virus or any other illness. It will vary person to person. Now if they are feeling well for an extended period, like months, and the have symptoms again that's a different story altogether.
Again deflecting when the article itself clearly says the positive result is because the test kit is designed to test for Corona Virus cells. It does not tell you whether the Corona Virus cells are active or dead. Dead Corona Virus cells cannot infect or harm the host so, there is no re-infection but, nothing more than bad readings.
Go read the earlier statements from the military spokesperson about the first five cases — they had symptoms twice which is what makes this so concerning. It is not a matter of merely test results.
You do realize that a percentage of people who catch some diseases never develop natural immunity and can catch it a second time. What is the percentage of people who don’t develop natural immunity for COVID? 10% 50% 90%
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"Some people". When are you guys going to take a breather from all the "mysterious" things about this virus?You have no solid data, nowhere near enough numbers of subjects tested or observed to make assumptions that this is the norm or anything close to it. Next thing you'll be telling me is this virus can somehow distinguish between big stores and little stores, eat in and takeout, living or dying on surfaces except Amazon packages...oh wait. People, it's just another strain of virus and that doesn't make it all that unique, it simply makes it different. There will be no safe zone, no safe time in the future, no risk free environment. Looking for every little variant, no matter how anomalous, is just an excuse to extend the shutdown and that my friends is a political move.
For you who supposedly, only believes in science, you are the first to dispute it if it does not serve your narrative. It is established science that if you get infected by a virus, be it smallpox, measles, etc. you become immune to it once, you are cured of it. Now, what you are proposing is totally, against established science that has stood for multiple decades atleast. I had smallpox and measles as a child, maybe, around 6, now, I am 62 and have not had smallpox or measles since, I was 6 years old. No BS re-infections which you now claim? You only came out the re-infection BS because a couple of extreme liberal media hacks took a few samples of 8 sailors out of millions infected with the Corona Virus and falsely, concluded that there is such a thing a re-infection? No such thing. Now, this is the 2nd article atleast, that pointed out that the test kit showed the presence of Corona Virus in the patient and that positive reading was faulty because it did not take into account that the Corona Virus found was either active or dead. Dead Corona Virus cells are completely, harmless as to infecting or even being transmitted. As hacks do, they completely, confuse the issues even if it is clearly, spelled out.
Let's walk through this situation with the navy again. It should be obvious for those who apply even a minimum of rational thinking.
If the saliors had merely tested positive then tested negative twice then tested positive again then you could make the case that this was due to faulty tests or lingering RNA to cause the later positive tests.
However for the first five sailors the navy stated very directly that THEY DEVELOPED SYMPTOMS TWICE. The importance of this should be obvious. It appears to be obvious to the captains in the navy and their military spokesperson.
The fact that the sailors developed symptoms then tested positive, recovered, tested negative twice, then were returned to the ship, developed symptoms again and tested positive again --- means one of two things:
- Either a person with COVID-19 can recover and then catch the disease again OR
- the disease can reactivate in a person weeks after they recovered.
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First let me address your completely incorrect assertion - "It is established science that if you get infected by a virus, be it smallpox, measles, etc. you become immune to it once, you are cured of it."
The initial concept of herd immunity came out of medical studies of the measles epidemic in Baltimore in the 1930s - papers from Sencer et al and Hedrich and other found the following:
- In one of the most deadly outbreaks of measles in the U.S. in the 1930s in Baltimore; it appeared that 53% of the population acquired natural immunity after recovering.
- This 53% immunity of the population was enough to slow the spread of the virus but not eliminate it.
- There were individuals who recovered from measles who caught it a second time from the 1930s observations, but the percentage was very small. Usually it involves a mild case of measles in the first round.
- The theory of using vaccines to create "herd immunity" against a disease came out of these observations.
- However "herd immunity" requires that 70% or more of a population to be immune to stop the spread of disease.
- Naturally it is difficult to get much beyond 50% heard immunity in a population. A vaccine is needed to boost the level to 70% or more.
- Part of the theory of "herd immunity" is that you need to protect the individuals who did not acquire immunity from vaccines (or exposure), are too young for the shots, or did not get vaccinated. There will always be a group in society in this position.
- Only a percentage of people who catch a disease are immune to catching it a second time.
- Admittedly this percentage for measles is pretty high for who are immune.
- But one of the reasons it is difficult to get much beyond 50% herd immunity naturally is because of the small percentage of people who do not become immune after recovering. The other more prevalent reason is the actual behavior of real populations and their interactions.
- Even with vaccines there is a percentage of people who get the vaccination who don't develop the immunity to the disease. Which is why herd immunity is important to protect them.
- There is also a question of how long immunity lasts after recovering. For some diseases it is only a matter of months, for others years. The reason people need vaccine boosters is because even vaccinated immunity wears off over time.
As follow-up reading for COVID-19...
Coronavirus immunity may only last six months raising doubts over 'immunity passports'
The discovery by scientists at the University of Amsterdam has raised questions over whether 'immunity passports' could be a route out of lockdown
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-immunity-only-last-six-22074166
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Obviously they weren't over it yet. You take a couple of guys who had the virus, started feeling a little bit better, then after a few days developed a couple of symptoms again, symptoms being a slight headache and a body ache. NONE of the more serious symptoms. Happens ALL THE TIME with the flu. You get sick, you feel a little bit better for a couple of days, it comes back on you again not quite so bad and that's the end of it. This isn't even worth discussing. Come to me when you have several thousand people who have had the virus, supposedly started feeling better for several months not days, and then developed ALL of the symptoms again with ALL of the severity, then we have something to worry about. Until then this is nothing more than an excuse to keep worrying about nonsense anomalies and things that don't fit the perfect profile of safe.
you are using the SIR method for model the spread of a virus. Also about 100 years old.
As of now...
This Covid virus does not seem to be spreading in a way... that R0 is useful for policy making. What we need to concerned with is Covid spreading clusters via via super spreaders. The low risk group may have an R0 of close to zero. In essence they may already have herd immunity for each other.
You have been wrong about almost everything.
You don't need 50 to 70 percent of the low risk group to have antibodies... you just need to be ready to test and trace for the super spreader.
its the high risk group who probably are the vast majority of superspreaders...
This was obvious to anyone with a brain... not stuck in the narrative.
ironically... it may turn out the high risk group should be isolated from the low risk group to prevent the low risk group from getting new cases one at a time. (just the opposite of you fears.)
It seems your brain doomed you into not looking at the data and reality but listening to the "experts" who have kept you in the dark and fed you a bunch of shit with bad models.
As of now...
This Covid virus does not seem to be spreading in a way... that R0 is useful for policy making. What we need to concerned with is Covid spreading clusters via via super spreaders. The low risk group may have an R0 of close to zero. In essence they may already have herd immunity for each other.
You have been wrong about almost everything.
You don't need 50 to 70 percent of the low risk group to have antibodies... you just need to be ready to test and trace for the super spreader.
its the high risk group who probably are the vast majority of superspreaders...
This was obvious to anyone with a brain... not stuck in the narrative.
ironically... it may turn out the high risk group should be isolated from the low risk group to prevent the low risk group from getting new cases one at a time. (just the opposite of you fears.)
It seems your brain doomed you into not looking at the data and reality but listening to the "experts" who have kept you in the dark and fed you a bunch of shit with bad models.
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