No, no, let's leave the silliness out of this. Where do you live? West Texas? I bet you I could get 100 black guys on your doorstep tomorrow who would work for you for those wages. So why would you not hire them? I sincerely would like to know. Because this is the real problem in this country. It's not Mit Romney at Bain Capital. It's the fact that there are able black men in this country that are capable of working and they are NOT being hired. Why? This leads to a discussion on welfare, crime, drugs, education. The lack of black employment is fueling all of this. So I'm curious. You are in a position to hire these blacks. Why wouldn't you? I mean you want Mit Romney or George Bush to do something right? You are in the drivers seat. You've got the checkbook. They don't need a welfare check. They need a job dude. Now you are not telling me that if you offered them $250 a day to do roofing that they would turn it down are you? Are you actually saying that? I just want you to be clear about this. Help me understand this.
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George Zimmerman: Media Whore
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No, no, let's leave the silliness out of this. Where do you live? West Texas? I bet you I could get 100 black guys on your doorstep tomorrow who would work for you for those wages. So why would you not hire them? I sincerely would like to know. Because this is the real problem in this country. It's not Mit Romney at Bain Capital. It's the fact that there are able black men in this country that are capable of working and they are NOT being hired. Why? This leads to a discussion on welfare, crime, drugs, education. The lack of black employment is fueling all of this. So I'm curious. You are in a position to hire these blacks. Why wouldn't you? I mean you want Mit Romney or George Bush to do something right? You are in the drivers seat. You've got the checkbook. They don't need a welfare check. They need a job dude. Now you are not telling me that if you offered them $250 a day to do roofing that they would turn it down are you? Are you actually saying that? I just want you to be clear about this. Help me understand this.
I call b.s. on those numbers no way mexican shinglers are being paid 20-35$ per hour, thats your whole margine out the window. You just said they could make 200-350 per day on a 10 hour day thats 20-35 dollars per hour, there is no way in hell you would have a large clientele of homebuilders with those numbers, your whole profitability lies in the ability to pay low skilled laborers like that 10 bucks an hour. You might have the odd guy who is a savant at laying shingles and you pay him by square foot and he can lay them at 20 bucks an hour but that is rare.
If you are actually able to pay 20-35 an hour for a roofer and make 2200 a month i would love to know the name of the housing company you are screwing, cause no one even comes close to those wages in that business.
If you are actually able to pay 20-35 an hour for a roofer and make 2200 a month i would love to know the name of the housing company you are screwing, cause no one even comes close to those wages in that business.
Quote from bigarrow:
Yes I do pay them a fair wage apx. 18% above the going rate. But for me it's worth it, they are very good, honest and dependable and they have all their legal paperwork to work in America and some of them are born here. If these young white boys would get their shit together they could make $200 to $350 a day working putting on roofs, that's what my green card Mexican workers make during the roofing season. But they won't so I hire Mexicans and first generation Americans from Mexican or Central America decent. From experience I will not hire a white roofing crew, they are ex-cons, or drug users or will steal jobs from people who come up on the job site wanting bids. I do my work right maverick, how I vote or what I think about religion has nothing to do with my business. There are many good businesses run by democrats, republicans and independents. I don't think it's politically related.
Quote from Max E. Pad:
I call b.s. on those numbers no way mexican shinglers are being paid 20-35$ per hour, thats your whole margine out the window. You just said they could make 200-350 per day on a 10 hour day thats 20-35 dollars per hour, there is no way in hell you would have a large clientele of homebuilders with those numbers, your whole profitability lies in the ability to pay low skilled laborers like that 10 bucks an hour. You might have the odd guy who is a savant at laying shingles and you pay him by square foot and he can lay them at 20 bucks an hour but that is rare.
If you are actually able to pay 20-35 an hour for a roofer and make 2200 a month i would love to know the name of the housing company you are screwing, cause no one even comes close to those wages in that business.
You are way over estimating your knowledge over mine on this subject. A three man crew can do a 25 square roof in a day for $55/square (which is what I pay) which equals $1,375.00. That comes out to $ 458.33 per day per man. After you deduct dump fees and gas and expenses $200 to $350 a day is what it comes out to. Some jobs are better than this and some are worse. I know more about this than you ever will max. Is it because we disagree politically that you're arguing with me on things that you have no knowledge of?
Quote from Max E. Pad:
I call b.s. on those numbers no way mexican shinglers are being paid 20-35$ per hour, thats your whole margine out the window. You just said they could make 200-350 per day on a 10 hour day thats 20-35 dollars per hour, there is no way in hell you would have a large clientele of homebuilders with those numbers, your whole profitability lies in the ability to pay low skilled laborers like that 10 bucks an hour. You might have the odd guy who is a savant at laying shingles and you pay him by square foot and he can lay them at 20 bucks an hour but that is rare.
If you are actually able to pay 20-35 an hour for a roofer and make 2200 a month i would love to know the name of the housing company you are screwing, cause no one even comes close to those wages in that business.
Max, my mother lives in Texas. She and her entire block had their entire roof done. All Mexicans. I would bet dollars to doughnuts they got less then $10 an hour. I think my mother paid 1k, maybe 1500 tops. I'll find out. And this is an upscale suburb. I asked her neighbors about the labor in Texas. All these guys work for scrap...ALL!!!!!! I'll cut off my left nut if he is paying Mexicans $35 an hour. Fuck it, I'll cut off both nuts. This is just too good.
Quote from bigarrow:
You are way over estimating your knowledge over mine on this subject. A three man crew can do a 25 square roof in a day for $55/square (which is what I pay) which equals $1,375.00. That comes out to $ 458.33 per day per man. After you deduct dump fees and gas and expenses $200 to $350 a day is what it comes out to. Some jobs are better than this and some are worse. I know more about this than you ever will max. Is it because we disagree politically that you're arguing with me on things that you have no knowledge of?
Dude i dont disagree that you know fsar more about this industry thsan i do, i wouldnt even argue if your numbers were close to reality, 55 bucks a square foot??
Only thing i can think of is you know someone in the insurance industry, drywallers dont even get 55$ per square foot, ive seen painters go as low as 1 dollar per square foot.
The only way i could fathom you conssistently being paid 55 bucks a square foot is if insurers are paying out and thus arent pinching pennies, and arent paying attention, no way homebuilders would pay that price, not a chance in hell.,
Quote from bigarrow:
You are way over estimating your knowledge over mine on this subject. A three man crew can do a 25 square roof in a day for $55/square (which is what I pay) which equals $1,375.00. That comes out to $ 458.33 per day per man. After you deduct dump fees and gas and expenses $200 to $350 a day is what it comes out to. Some jobs are better than this and some are worse. I know more about this than you ever will max. Is it because we disagree politically that you're arguing with me on things that you have no knowledge of?
On a side note, when i ran a hauling company when i was putting myself through university, we took shit people wanted hauled to the dump, one of the best things i ever did was take the guy running the dump out for drinks, after that he gave me the 6 dollar per load fee that everyone who lived in the area was paying, instead of weighing my shit at the city dump, pretty much cut my expenses in half.
Quote from Maverick74:
Max, my mother lives in Texas. She and her entire block had their entire roof done. All Mexicans. I would bet dollars to doughnuts they got less then $10 an hour. I think my mother paid 1k, maybe 1500 tops. I'll find out. And this is an upscale suburb. I asked her neighbors about the labor in Texas. All these guys work for scrap...ALL!!!!!! I'll cut off my left nut if he is paying Mexicans $35 an hour. Fuck it, I'll cut off both nuts. This is just too good.
Yeaj, i know these numbers well, all my buddies work construction, and half of them have their own little businesses, the reason i know the numbers is because when i was flush with cash i wanted to go in with them, if i thought my cash could push them to that next level, but the bottom line is it is highly localised, and the only way contractors make money is off paying mules 10-15 bucks an hour, and taking the wage arbitrage, there is no other way to cut cost until you get to the level you can buy materials you need en masse from the right suppliers.Simply put there was no way for me to make money off my own money unless i wanted to work alongside with them.
For example i have a buddy who did kitchens and he did well so decided to create an actual store for it, he was only able to make shit piles of money once he started ordering granite and tiles from china at half the cost, other than that it was a sruggle for a few years.
Quote from Max E. Pad:
Yeaj, i know these numbers well, all my buddies work construction, and half of them have their own little businesses, the reason i know the numbers is because when i was flush with cash i wanted to go in with them, if i thought my cash could push them to that next level, but the bottom line is it is highly localised, and the only way contractors make money is off paying mules 10-15 bucks an hour, and taking the wage arbitrage, there is no other way to cut cost until you get to the level you can buy materials you need en masse from the right suppliers.
For example i have a buddy who did kitchens and he did well so decided to create an actual store for it, he was only able to make shit piles of money once he started ordering granite from china at half the cost, other than that it was a sruggle for a few years.
Here you go Max.
http://salaries-by-city.findthedata...ofers-make-in-San-Antonio-New-Braunfels-Texas
Entry level roofer in San Antonio, TX...$10 an hour.
Max a square is 100 square feet. A 1600 square foot house with a two car garage will be about 30 squares of roofing. These guys don't buy their gas or groceries or pay their mortgage or rent any cheaper than we do. They got to make decent money just to exist, just like any other worker.
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Max a square is 100 square feet. A 1600 square foot house with a two car garage will be about 30 squares of roofing. These guys don't buy their gas or groceries or pay their mortgage or rent any cheaper than we do. They got to make decent money just to exist, just like any other worker.
Dude, they pay them like minimum wage just to pick fruit, why wouldnt there be a lineup of guys willing to work aat your place for 50% less? At 35 an hour you could reduce wages to 17 an hour and people would be happy to be there.
Are you talking about guys with their construction ticket? If so thats only 1 guy on a job site.