George Soros Track Record

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hmm first post concerning myself and already name calling.:D
That's okay baby,something tells me you don't have the balls to step up and take my challenge.

Ok i will tell you what, how bout we start a thread where we compare dollars made per day, i would be willing to do this with your piker ass any day, get a clue, loser! Or we could compare blotters though i hasve a funny suspicion you will be nowhere to be found once i bring that idea up......
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Ok i will tell you what, how bout we start a thread where we compare dollars made per day, i would be willing to do this with your piker ass any day, get a clue, loser! Or we could compare blotters though i hasve a funny suspicion you will be nowhere to be found once i bring that idea up......

You are welcome to post your returns or whatever you think relevant on my journal.
 
Quote from Index piker:

You are welcome to post your returns or whatever you think relevant on my journal.


Your journal is a fraud post time stamps or else quit talking shit about guys liek soros who actually made it in this business, i knew you woulD back down...... Why dont you post time stamps in your "HYPOTHETICAL JOURNAL"
 
Soros stopped trading full-time in the late 80s. So his returns after that reflect his ability as a *manager* of traders, or a trader coach, rather than his ability as a trader. Also after Druckenmiller took a bath on dot.coms in 1999 and 2000, he changed the fund entirely to be a low risk vehicle seeking 10-15% per annum, quite different to his days as trader/PM.

Since pretty much everyone on this thread is only interested in his trading ability, not his coaching or people managing or marketing skills, I would suggest that his record from 1969 to 1988/89 is relevant, not his 1990-2009 "record", except maybe 2007-08 where he took over trading again and did respectably on absolute terms, and totally crushed the S&P. His 1969-1989 return is in the high 30s compound net of fees, meaning that his gross returns would have been in the mid 40s. There are very few people who have ever made 45% compound per annum for 2 decades. Bear in mind that, apart from Rogers, this was pretty much a solo performance, it's not like he had some kind of institutional edge like Citadel, Renaissance, SAC etc which have hundreds of alpha-generating employees and a technological, order flow, or insider information edge. Also bear in mind that those firms operated during a once in a lifetime bull market in the 1990s, so they were benefiting from a very strongly rising tide. Quantum made 40% per annum net from 1979-1981 under just Soros and Rogers, whilst the Dow was *flat* during the same period. I.e. 50% per annum pure alpha in trading ability. Soros was basically the Livermore of his generation but with proper risk management.
 
For baby

No fraud or deception on my part in my journal. I do however understand your fear, carry-on.

The offer to post your results still stands whenever you screw up the courage to do so.
 
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For baby

No fraud or deception on my part in my journal. I do however understand your fear, carry-on.

The offer to post your results still stands whenever you screw up the courage to do so.

This will be my last post with you, for everyone looking at this note the lack of willingness on Pikers part to post time stamps, on his trades.... while he shamelessly questions Soros trading ability......
 
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Quantum made 40% per annum net from 1979-1981 under just Soros and Rogers, whilst the Dow was *flat* during the same period. I.e. 50% per annum pure alpha in trading ability. Soros was basically the Livermore of his generation but with proper risk management.

I read somewhere that Victor Niederhoffer played a role in earning the high return during the time when the market was flat.

Correct me if I am wrong, but given the history of Mr. Niederhoffer with blow up, I am assuming that during the time, they may be using average down with the MRS.

Anyway, George Soros is indeed a great trader who is skillful with the use of leverage and has the guts to risk his profit for more gains.

PA
 
Quote from Ghost of Cutten:

His 1969-1989 return is in the high 30s compound net of fees, meaning that his gross returns would have been in the mid 40s. There are very few people who have ever made 45% compound per annum for 2 decades.

The markets are much more competitive now than back in Soros' day. But yeah, it is an impressive return. Although what Jim Simons is doing at Renaissance is the most impressive feat in the investing era, pumping out annual returns of over 35% since 1989, after fees for the Medallion fund. The management fees are 5% + over 40% of profits. So basically the management fee has been around 20% for 20 years, so over 55% per annum for 20 years, with AUM much bigger than Quantum. In 2008, when other funds were getting crushed, Medallion returned 80%. Jim Simons is the best trader of this era. He makes every one else look like amateurs.
 
Why are you guys idolizing a fund manager beats me. You don't even have access to other people funds. Shouldn't you idolize people who trade their own money 100%?
I guess that's impossible, since there aren't any successful traders who trade their own money:p

Besides, his return might be 20-25% a year, buit that on all the money. His return for investors is 15%, and his return on management fees is also 15% probably. You guys are idolizing gross returns when all that matters is net returns.
 
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