George Soros on Trading

who cares about soros,,he makes his money on managing other people's money and manipulating markets.

trading and investing is child's play.

even a computer algorithm can do it. even 13 year kid can trade.

Quote from BCE:

Here's a story and quotes from George Soros. Probably a lot of you have seen this. But just wanted to share this in regard to maximizing your profits on your trades. I know he's a controversial guy, but this post is about trading. So those of you who don't agree with his politics, etc. spare us from your bashing comments on what a jerk he is...........blah, blah, blah. Save those for the Religion and Politics forum. Posts relating to the trading aspects are welcome. :)

"You call that a position?"

Q: What else have you learned from Soros?

A: I've learned many things from him, but perhaps most significant is that it's not whether you're right or wrong that's important, but how much money you make when you're right and how much you lose when you're wrong. The few times that Soros has ever criticized me was when I was really right on the market and didn't maximize the opportunity.

As an example, shortly after I had started working for Soros, I was bearish on the dollar and put on a large short position against the Deutsche mark. The position had started going in my favor and I felt rather proud of myself. Soros came into my office, and we talked about the trade.

'How big a position do you have?' he asked.
'One billion dollars,' I answered.
'You call that a position?' he said dismissingly. He encouraged me to double my position. I did, and the trade went dramatically further in our favor.

Soros has taught me that when you have tremendous conviction on a trade, you have to go for the jugular. It takes courage to be a pig. It takes courage to ride a profit with huge leverage. As far as Soros is concerned, when you're right on something, you can't own enough.

Although I was not at Soros Management at the time, I've heard that prior to the Plaza Accord meeting in the fall of 1985, other traders in the office had been piggybacking George and hence were long the yen going into the meeting. When the yen opened 800 points higher on Monday morning, these traders couldn't believe the size of their gains and anxiously started taking profits. Supposedly, George came bolting out of the door, directing the other traders to stop selling the yen, telling them that he would assume their position. While these other traders were congratulating themselves for having taken the biggest profit in their lives, Soros was looking at the big picture: The government has just told him that the dollar was going to go down the next year, so why shouldn't he be a pig and buy more?

Soros is also the best loss taker I've ever seen. He doesn't care whether he wins or loses on a trade. If a trade doesn't work he's confident enough about his ability to win on other trades that he can easily walk away from the position. There are a lot of shoes on the shelf; wear only the ones that fit. If you're extremely confident, taking a loss doesn't bother you."

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We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time
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The concept of adding to winners is by no means new or unique. Jesse Livermore, James R. Keene and many other trading legends did it in much the same way. Soros was right more often than almost anyone, pushed his great bets further and cashed in expertly. But to say what separated him from the pack was the concept of adding to his winners ignores that he did that and everything else superbly.

He goes for the jugular and dramatically increases his position size WHEN THE MARKET TELLS HIM THAT HE IS RIGHT.
 
No ... that doesn't fit the described scenario. I was responding to his contention that Soros bought at the top of four separate moves and puked each one at the bottom. That does not happen if your stops are tight.

Either that or the stop was tight.
 
Given his track record can't we assume his size on losing bets was relatively small?

he has distinctive edge and can recognize that he is wrong sooner rather than later - so one can assume no adding for these positions.

wonder whether he is as sharp as he used to be? His pain based approach requires lots of energy.
 
The Philosopher Karl Popper, whom Soros, as a young man, studied with at the LSE, influenced him deeply. That influence is clearly evident in Soros' development of "Reflexivity" to explain why real markets, most of the time, deviate far from what is expected according to modern economic theory. According to Soros, the "efficient markets theorem", is not applicable to real markets, which are irrational and tend to move away from, rather than toward, equilibrium. It is clear that Soros believes disciplined philosophic reasoning is far more useful in explaining how human behavior influences markets than are economists' mathematical models.

A summary of Soros' Reflexivity theory and his personal views on market behavior is contained in the series of lectures he gave at the Central European University, a University he founded and endowed. (These lectures can be viewed on the internet and have also been published.)

Today, George Soros is the world's most public and important philanthropist. He has been a tremendous force for good in many countries. He will leave a lasting mark not because of the money he made but because of what he did with it.
 
Today, George Soros is the world's most public and important philanthropist. He has been a tremendous force for good in many countries. He will leave a lasting mark not because of the money he made but because of what he did with it.

What a bunch of hogwash! :D

These people do not give a rat's ass about you and me and the rest of the world.

Those oh-so "charitable" donations are nothing more than clever tax write-offs, wake up pal.
 
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