Gentlemen, Start Your Engines!!

rickylc · Feb 19, 2006

well, there's a case where you have a driver admitting on video tape that he intentionally took out another driver that was a race leader. of course it was the driver that whined the most about agressive driving that was guilty, tony stewart.

if nascar really wants to put a stop to agressive driving, which i think is ludicrous btw, here's their opportunity. having stewart forfiet all points and winnings from the race would send a loud clear signal they were serious.

of course they aren't serious, especially when it comes to golden boy and chief whiner stewart.

can y'all tel i'm not a stewart fan?

Spydertrader · Feb 19, 2006

Quote from rickylc:

Can y'all tel i'm not a stewart fan?

Me Neither. "Mr. Safety Concern" after the Bud Pole Shootout, appeared less than genuine in his motivation after finding himself involved with on track altercations with several drivers (#5, #24, #48 and #17. Watch how bad Stewert cries after somebody puts him into the wall in another race (Ask John Andretti about crying Tony Stewert).

Anyhow, my guy didn't win today, but congrats to the #48 Lowes Chevy and Jimmy Johnson for winning the Daytona 500.

- Spydertrader

AAAintheBeltway · Feb 20, 2006

Quote from Spydertrader:

Me Neither. "Mr. Safety Concern" after the Bud Pole Shootout, appeared less than genuine in his motivation after finding himself involved with on track altercations with several drivers (#5, #24, #48 and #17. Watch how bad Stewert cries after somebody puts him into the wall in another race (Ask John Andretti about crying Tony Stewert).

Anyhow, my guy didn't win today, but congrats to the #48 Lowes Chevy and Jimmy Johnson for winning the Daytona 500.

- Spydertrader

So you think his concerns about getting slammed going into corners was whining? Don't you think the reigning Cup champ should stand up for the concerns of drivers? Or should he just be a mealy-mouthed sell out that will say what the NASCAR suits want to hear?

Everyone knows Tony is a borderline psycho. Rub him and he will rub you back. Hard. You can ask Kenseth. But there is a big difference between rubbing and lifting a guy's rear wheels going into a turn at Daytona, which is what he was warning about.

Tony got hit twice before he squeezed Kenseth. He blamed Kenseth for the one when he was sideways in the turn. Most drivers would have lost the car and wrecked half the field, but he somehow managed to save it.

For my money, today's race was less than satisfactory. In fact, it was another foul up for NASCAR. The race was prematurely yellow-flagged on the last lap for a single car spin well behind the leaders. To make things worse, a serial cheater won.

Spydertrader · Feb 20, 2006

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

So you think his concerns about getting slammed going into corners was whining? Don't you think the reigning Cup champ should stand up for the concerns of drivers? Or should he just be a mealy-mouthed sell out that will say what the NASCAR suits want to hear?

As reigning NASCAR nextel Cup Champion, Tony Stewert should use the bully pulpit to stand up for the concerns of fellow drivers. However, complaining about 'rough driving' and then turning around and practicing the same behavior Tony decried not one week earlier, smacks of hypocrisy.

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Everyone knows Tony is a borderline psycho. Rub him and he will rub you back. Hard. You can ask Kenseth. But there is a big difference between rubbing and lifting a guy's rear wheels going into a turn at Daytona, which is what he was warning about.

I have to agree that Stewert has often tended toward psychotic behavior. The Anger Management classes (and the team Sit Down at the end of 2004) caused a somewhat mellowing of Tony's behavior in 2005. However, it appears Stewert's behavior has once again drifted toward the Dark Side in 2006. In addition, the practice of 'bump drafting' (the cause of Tony's complaint) developed out of a need to pass under NASCAR's current aero package. After Tony's tirade, 'bump drafting' wasn't outlawed. NASCAR only prohibited the practice in certain areas on the Daytona Track.

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

Tony got hit twice before he squeezed Kenseth. He blamed Kenseth for the one when he was sideways in the turn. Most drivers would have lost the car and wrecked half the field, but he somehow managed to save it.

According to the replays I watched, Kenseth didn't hit Tony. Kenseth simply 'took air' off Tony's car - causing the spin. Since every NASCAR team has a satellite feed at their pit box, it would be absurd to assume Tony wasn't aware of the replay showing Kenseth never touched Stewert. According to kenseth, Stewert taught Matt Kenseth this technique (to draft off the side of another car). Sauce for the Goose, as they say, remains sauce for the gander.

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

For my money, today's race was less than satisfactory. In fact, it was another foul up for NASCAR. The race was prematurely yellow-flagged on the last lap for a single car spin well behind the leaders. To make things worse, a serial cheater won.

I didn't really understand that late race Yellow Flag either. The same thing happened at Michigan last year - wreck WAY behind the entire pack.

Congrats, by the way, to Kirk Shelmerdine. This Cinderella story received $65,000 dollars on the insistence of a dying woman. The money enabled Kirk to make the trip to Daytona and attempt to qualify. After qualifying for the Daytona 500, Kirk found himself without the money to buy tires for the race. Some fans in the Daytona infield heard about Kirk's dilemma, called him on his mobile phone, and donated enough money to buy tires. Shelmerdine finished 21st (unofficially). Stories like this remind me of why I love this sport so much.

- Spydertrader

Batterup · Feb 20, 2006

Folks, come the start of the F1 season in march, do yourself some research and watch how F1 runs a race. (no one is perfect, so no whining).

F1 only throws a caution flag if there is REAL problems on the track. F1 will not throw a flag so the laggards can catch up. If it looks like rain, well so be it, if you need to put the dry with the wets, you do it on the fly.

Many say it is hard to pass in F1, bingo, yes it is, thats part of the contest, actually F1 has advised the fans that indeed some of the newer tracks are built for more passing. Many of the older tracks are being modified also.

But, BUT, do not think F1 is about passing only, it is more about who has the fastest, best engineered, reliable car and the same goes for the driver. This is a sport of professionals, the best from around the entire world.

This post is NOTHING AGAINST nascar, i am a fan but a small one, round and round makes me dizzy. Caution flags on a small circle track with 43 cars is a joke. GGGeeezzzeee why not 62 cars.

Ferrari only advertises on the track, it takes about 500 employees to field an F1 team. The cost of a WHOLE LOT... it is a great sport.............

jzlucas · Feb 20, 2006

Quote from Batterup:

Folks, come the start of the F1 season in march, do yourself some research and watch how F1 runs a race. (no one is perfect, so no whining).

F1 only throws a caution flag if there is REAL problems on the track. F1 will not throw a flag so the laggards can catch up. If it looks like rain, well so be it, if you need to put the dry with the wets, you do it on the fly.

Many say it is hard to pass in F1, bingo, yes it is, thats part of the contest, actually F1 has advised the fans that indeed some of the newer tracks are built for more passing. Many of the older tracks are being modified also.

But, BUT, do not think F1 is about passing only, it is more about who has the fastest, best engineered, reliable car and the same goes for the driver. This is a sport of professionals, the best from around the entire world.

This post is NOTHING AGAINST nascar, i am a fan but a small one, round and round makes me dizzy. Caution flags on a small circle track with 43 cars is a joke. GGGeeezzzeee why not 62 cars.

Ferrari only advertises on the track, it takes about 500 employees to field an F1 team. The cost of a WHOLE LOT... it is a great sport.............

F1 is great too. Run em in packs like Nascar and Ill follow it just as close!

Trader5287 · Feb 20, 2006

Quote from jzlucas:

F1 is great too. Run em in packs like Nascar and Ill follow it just as close!

Yeah F1 is great. Not as much silicone on the female enthusiasts but that's OK.

Ever see those dirt road outback rallyes in Australia where there's a passenger with a map calling out the turns ahead so the psycho behind the wheel can start nudging the car way in advance? :eek:

Kind of a downbeat finish yesterday but still OK. Felt bad for Vickers but the young bucks generally made a good showing of themselves. I bet Nascar really starts cracking down on pit road antics. Those crews are right there working with their backs to the cars pulling out and somebody could have got hurt bad yesterday.

jzlucas · Feb 20, 2006

Quote from Trader5287:

Yeah F1 is great. Not as much silicone on the female enthusiasts but that's OK.

Ever see those dirt road outback rallyes in Australia where there's a passenger with a map calling out the turns ahead so the psycho behind the wheel can start nudging the car way in advance? :eek:

Kind of a downbeat finish yesterday but still OK. Felt bad for Vickers but the young bucks generally made a good showing of themselves. I bet Nascar really starts cracking down on pit road antics. Those crews are right there working with their backs to the cars pulling out and somebody could have got hurt bad yesterday.

If Im not mistaken, I believe one of those passengers with the map died last year in a crash.

Free Thinker · Feb 20, 2006

f1 = yawn. the race in america last year was a disaster. i think they had to refund the money it was so bad.

Quote from Batterup:

Folks, come the start of the F1 season in march, do yourself some research and watch how F1 runs a race. (no one is perfect, so no whining).

F1 only throws a caution flag if there is REAL problems on the track. F1 will not throw a flag so the laggards can catch up. If it looks like rain, well so be it, if you need to put the dry with the wets, you do it on the fly.

Many say it is hard to pass in F1, bingo, yes it is, thats part of the contest, actually F1 has advised the fans that indeed some of the newer tracks are built for more passing. Many of the older tracks are being modified also.

But, BUT, do not think F1 is about passing only, it is more about who has the fastest, best engineered, reliable car and the same goes for the driver. This is a sport of professionals, the best from around the entire world.

This post is NOTHING AGAINST nascar, i am a fan but a small one, round and round makes me dizzy. Caution flags on a small circle track with 43 cars is a joke. GGGeeezzzeee why not 62 cars.

Ferrari only advertises on the track, it takes about 500 employees to field an F1 team. The cost of a WHOLE LOT... it is a great sport.............

Haroki · Feb 20, 2006

Quote from vhehn:

f1 = yawn. the race in america last year was a disaster. i think they had to refund the money it was so bad.

Yeah, I've watched a couple on the tube, and the announcers always say it's damn near impossible to pass due to aero effects behind each car.

So it ends up the winner is the best qualifier, as long as he doesn't break.

Is that an accurate description ?

And Nascar - what could be done to allow more passing on the superspeedways? I miss the old days when the guy with the best car could pull away and leave the pack on his own and the only way to catch him - and only then, maybe - was for a few guys to form a freighttrain and catch him. Aero changes and no restrictors?