Genocide in Syria

[vanzandt]

Trump supporters who are so giddy about all the generals he is appointing should reflect that they are the same geniuses who reduced our military to this state of affairs.

Interesting comment from you. And on the money....But you have to understand, once you join the flag ranks, its all political. Consider the last 8 years.
I have a feeling Trump is going to let our generals and admirals do what they know how to do.
The humanitarian crisis in Syria can not be described with words. Its horrific and it can't be reversed.
I have faith however that Trump will alter the course of mankind's inhumanity to man.
Give him a chance. Some things Z just knows. Trump is a good dude. You all will see.

 

[fhl]

• Amid The Bombs of Aleppo, All You Can Hear Are The Lies (Peter Hitchens)

[..] the old cliche ‘the first casualty of war is truth’ is absolutely right, and should be displayed in letters of fire over every TV and newspaper report of conflict, for ever. Almost nothing can be checked. You become totally reliant on the people you are with, and you identify with them. If you can find a working phone, you will feel justified in shouting whatever you have got into the mouthpiece – as simple and unqualified as possible. And your office will feel justified in putting it on the front page (if you are lucky). And that is when you are actually there, which is a sort of excuse for bending the rules.

In the past few days we have been bombarded with colourful reports of events in eastern Aleppo, written or transmitted by people in Beirut (180 miles away and in another country), or even London (2,105 miles away and in another world). There have, we are told, been massacres of women and children, people have been burned alive. The sources for these reports are so-called ‘activists’. Who are they? As far as I know, there was not one single staff reporter for any Western news organisation in eastern Aleppo last week. Not one. This is for the very good reason that they would have been kidnapped and probably murdered. The zone was ruled without mercy by heavily armed Osama Bin Laden sympathisers, who were bombarding the west of the city with powerful artillery (they frequently killed innocent civilians and struck hospitals, since you ask).

That is why you never see pictures of armed males in eastern Aleppo, just beautifully composed photographs of handsome young unarmed men lifting wounded children from the rubble, with the light just right. The women are all but invisible, segregated and shrouded in black, just as in the IS areas, as we saw when they let them out. For reasons that I find it increasingly hard to understand or excuse, much of the British media refer to these Al Qaeda types coyly as ‘rebels’ (David Cameron used to call them ‘moderates’). But if they were in any other place in the world, including Birmingham or Belmarsh, they would call them extremists, jihadis, terrorists and fanatics. One of them, Abu Sakkar, famously cut out and sank his teeth into the heart of a fallen enemy, while his comrades cheered. This is a checked and verified fact, by the way.

Sakkar later confirmed it to the BBC, when Western journalists still had contact with these people, and there is film of it if you care to watch. There is also film of a Syrian ‘rebel’ group, Nour al-din al Zenki, beheading a 12-year-old boy called Abdullah Issa. They smirk a lot. It is on the behalf of these ‘moderates’ that MPs staged a wholly one-sided debate last week, and on their behalf that so many people have been emoting equally one-sidedly over alleged massacres and supposed war crimes by Syrian and Russian troops – for which I have yet to see a single piece of independent, checkable evidence.

 

[Ditch]

A protest of "moderate" refugees in London, waving Isis flags. I say round these bastards up and deport them back to their sandbox at once.

 

[smallStops]

Absolutely nothing. That's not the point, but you already knew that. The point being, why is the media, the same media who has give Obama a pass on this massacre for five years, why are they now so interested? This little gift is about to be on Trumps watch, so now it's a big deal?

Captainobvious, we should have looked more into the matter.
Basically, in october 2016, a Syrian government official made scandals at the UN by saying that US agents, as well as EU agents were operating in Alep, working with the 'terrorists' ( 'terrorists' from Syrian government point of view).
So the media interest was not about the Syrians, but about Westerners soldiers trapped in Alep.

Now, few days ago, the list of names of the last foreign operators captured.

 

[smallStops]

Source from Israel itself :

Now, no wonder the Media were all steering the public's compassionate side regarding
"refugees" in Alepo, and how Bachar Al Assad was a threat to its own population in Alepo.
This Syrian war is really full of lies.

 

[jem]

We should all be so happy that Hillary was not elected. Obama her and kerry made some dangerously bad decisions. Obama by plan, Hillary, I am not sure... money? Stupidity? Bad advice?

As far as gwb's question. My answer is to stay the hell out. Keep our borders sealed tight. Support humanitarian efforts with money (because Obama and hillary caused some of these problems...). If something changes and we really know what we are doing... and we won't escalate tensions with anyone with a nuke... we can reevaluate. I can't believe these "leaders" of ours gave Iran nukes.

 

[Scataphagos]

I can't believe these "leaders" of ours gave Iran nukes.

Like you said. "Obama by plan."

 

[smallStops]

We should all be so happy that Hillary was not elected. Obama her and kerry made some dangerously bad decisions. Obama by plan, Hillary, I am not sure... money? Stupidity? Bad advice?

As far as gwb's question. My answer is to stay the hell out. Keep our borders sealed tight. Support humanitarian efforts with money (because Obama and hillary caused some of these problems...). If something changes and we really know what we are doing... and we won't escalate tensions with anyone with a nuke... we can reevaluate. I can't believe these "leaders" of ours gave Iran nukes.

You only know how to "interpret" , and not analyse or look for facts.
Your interpretation here are false.

 

[jem]

you realized that I was admitting we could not analyze the situation because we don't have enough facts...

here is the tip...
"if something changes and we really know what we are doing"...

your logical flaw is that you took that situation and made a faulty conclusion.

You only know how to "interpret" , and not analyse or look for facts.
Your interpretation here are false.

 

[peilthetraveler]

The entire situation is sad in Syria. I don't know what the right solution is, but there has got to be a better approach than the current one.

The right solution is to ignore it, but put a large military force around the border of Syria, so nobody gets out and no reinforcements get in. Last man standing wins. If it so happens that ISIS is the last man standing. We just nuke the whole country.

There are a lot of people in the world that need help. We should focus on helping the people who's beliefs are more in line with ours than helping a bunch of backwards thinking muslims.