Gekko, can you prove...

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Gekko you are a complete and utter moron. If it seems as though we agree on anything then its either a matter of your mis-perceptions or simply chance.
lmao
 
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Leave all of the other stuff you wrote out and simply answer one question for me; If God does not want us to sin then why did he not just do what the brits tried to do in Burgeses "A Clockwork Orange" -- create all sentient beings with such an abhorrence toward sinning that they could not possibly carry one out???

I don't know the answer to that.
 
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Gekko you are a complete and utter moron. If it seems as though we agree on anything then its either a matter of your mis-perceptions or simply chance.


I think it was chance....
 
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Leave all of the other stuff you wrote out and simply answer one question for me; If God does not want us to sin then why did he not just do what the brits tried to do in Burgeses "A Clockwork Orange" -- create all sentient beings with such an abhorrence toward sinning that they could not possibly carry one out???
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Neither does anyone else........

Hey Cubano,

I gave one already. What's wrong with this?

I think the answer is very simple: "take it or leave it", exactly the same as for Adam. Where is the logic in your "... that they could not possibly carry one out"? That's not being created free, endowed with identically the same freedom as God. (Endowed with the same power is althogether different!)
 
Quote from nononsense "From Genesis, it seems clear that God means what He says and that He doesn't kid around"
Follow the Word of God
Quote from nononsense"Whether God forbade him to eat of those apples or whether it was about something different is immaterial"
No need to follow the Word of God.
Quote from nononsenseI believe more and more that God doesn't kid around and means everything precisely as he said
Nope try again..follow the Word of God
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of ]good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Isn't that being free exactly like God! You can choose to do it nevertheless.
No it isn't free choice.

If you read The Word of God precisely , as it is written, there was no choice given in the Genesis fable. Adam did not have freewill.
 
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Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
I normally know better than to get into these religious flamewars, but I was just wondering -- didn't Adam eat the Apple? He didn't die that day. What's up with that?
 
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I don't know the answer to that.

I appreciate the honesty Aphex. It is always refreshing when a religious, or any person for that matter, has the courage to say "I don't know".
 
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I normally know better than to get into these religious flamewars, but I was just wondering -- didn't Adam eat the Apple? He didn't die that day. What's up with that?

Ah yes, the prohibition not to eat of the "tree of knowledge".

If this God is so smart, why did he ever say a word about the tree in the first place, I mean even the dumbest of parents know that the one sure way of getting a child to do something is to forbid them to do so. Telling Adam not to eat the apple was the one sure way of getting Adam to eat it. And then God goes to Adam and scorns him for doing so, then Adam passes the buck over to Eve and emphatically states that it wasn't his fault but Eves for tempting him, God looks at Eve and Eve points to the Serpant, God then fixes his stare on the Serpant and the serpent dosen't say shit. Dosen't anyone ever wonder why this all went down this way? How come that serpent didn't say anything? Has it ever dawned on anyone that the Serpant didn't reply because perhaps he knew to much and didn't want to give away the show? Why was that Serpant there in the first place? Why would God dangle a carrot in front of Adam and then garuntee Adam would go for it by telling him it was the one thing on the entire Earth that was forbidden? These questions are indeed scary ones and the way this story played out leaves me no other choice but to conclude that God was the author of Evil. Wouldn't that be something? And if we keep the model of the King of Universe and we are all his subjects -- then dosen't this really make us his victims? In the book of Job, Satan was the prosecutor -- the district attorney of the "heavens", but not the author of evil.

All this is really bunk though. We wouldn't be the victims of this God -- he'd be nothing more than his own victim. He is not responsible, nor the devil, or any other fairy tale character -- WE ARE RESPONSIBLE and as long as we stay in this state of illusion that is forever perpetuated by the non-sense in the Bible we will never know ourselves and never be able to answer the original question posed in this thread. What is Evil? Its suffering. Simple and plain. And until man gives up looking outside himself for the issues of "morality" and instead looks deep inside -- there will continue to be suffering on a mass-scale. Thankfully though, all dreams must come to an end and we will finnally as a race wakeup from this one. Not in this life I live now of course, but it is bound to happen.
 
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