Geitner: Auditing the Fed is a “line that we don’t want to cross”

Here's what people don't realize about the Fed. It is an agency created <b>by</b> the banks to police the banks. That is about a big a conflict of interest as you'll find. This relationship with the banks causes the banks to act in the best interest of the banks, not the economy or the American public. The past few years is a perfect example. The Investment Banks were allowed, under the strict supervision of the Fed, to increase their leverage to a ratio as high as 75:1. Alan Greenspan sits back and states he didn't think the banks would "risk their equity" by taking on such risk and by using so much leverage. Greenspan expects us to believe the Fed had absolutely no idea Lehman was levered up to 75:1?

Fast forward to current day. The overnight borrowing rate for the banks is current 0-.25%, or effectively nothing. Go buy a car and see what kind of rate you'll end up paying, even with excellent credit. You're looking at somewhere in the area of 7%. 7% minus 0% means your borrowing costs are nothing and your revenues from lending are massive.

So the Fed first acted recklessly by allowing banks to wind up their books and make windfall profits if debt payments continued on an expected course and now that they haven't they are allowing the banks to make windfall profits by allowing them to borrow at the cost of nothing. The Fed suggests they are acting in the best interest of the economy by keeping rates low. The simple truth is the Fed is keeping rates low to maximize the profits of the banks -- the very banks that <b>created</b> the Fed, with the help of congress and coercement, in 1913.

The Federal Reserve has hijacked the United States and has the power to crush the economy with one stroke of the keyboard. For that reason it will not be audited or abolished any time soon. If it is America must be ready to go through another Depression that would probably eclipse the severity of the Great Depression.

The Fed provides a great deal of liquidity to the US Economy. Imagine what would happen if that liquidity was withdrawn overnight? Removing the Fed will be no easy task, even if Congress wanted to do it and considering the US Government has deep roots in Wall Street it's highly unlikely the Fed will come under any real scrutiny anytime soon. Conclusion: The Fed is sacred, unfortunately.
 
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considering the US Government has deep roots in Wall Street it's highly unlikely the Fed will come under any real scrutiny anytime soon. Conclusion: The Fed is sacred, unfortunately.

Unless some kind of international alternative is in the offing that will allow Wall Street to rape the entire world instead of just one country, and with impunity because no one country can revoke its charter.
 
Quote from taipan77:

So why are you defending the FED. IF a bank is weak and needs help it's shareholders have the right to know. Otherwise our so called stock market will be a sham. That's what makes this country so great. The strong live and the weak die.

Why are you attacking them? It's foolish to think either of us know enough of what's really going on to say one way or the other if things are good or bad. I do have news for you: the stock market is manipulated. It's manipulated by the people with the most money: the ones that move the prices by purchasing things or selling things.
 
Quote from achilles28:

Wrong.

All FED money derives its value by debasing the existing money supply already in circulation. The only value FED money holds, is the value it steals from us. That makes it OUR MONEY, Stolen.

Two, the American People via Congress have every Right to audit the FED because the FED is a creature of Congress, or the People. Congress can amend or nullify its Charter, as we see fit, when we see fit.

They are not "above the law", as you claim.

That is the biggest load of crap i've read in a long time. The money supply consists of Federal reserve notes - there is nothing else that is legal tender in the US.


Also by your reply you clearly have no understanding of what the fed is. THE FED IS NOT A SINGLE ENTITY. There are various groups that make up what you likely think is "The Fed" - some are public and are appointed by the govt. and others are private, like each of the regional reserve banks for example. The regional banks are contracted "agents" of the treasury, much like Lockheed Martin is a contractor for the US military.

AND PLEASE LINK TO THE POST WHERE I SAID THE FED IS "ABOVE THE LAW". Instead of creating imaginary statements why not discuss with me the facts of what I said? And no, the private parts of the Fed are not responsible for reporting to congress, though the public parts are.


And for the record, the Treasury actually produces the US currency via the Mint.
 
Quote from dtan1e:

i rem myself making a similar statement when i haven't a clue wtf is going on over some decades ago, when i was a fresh grad and somebody asked me so hows the market today, that's the difference between experience and someone green

lol.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

What? Look, we as a collective group of citizens pay taxes in dollars we work for to the government. Those taxes are expected to provide us with basic essentials, protect us from harm, etc., be we absolutely have a right to know how they are used.

I agree - but people are talking like the Fed gets all this money from the govt. When it comes to the bailout funds I agree we should know where the money went, but let's be serious: the treasury already knows where it went. The fed shouldn't be telling us where it went, the treasury should be.
 
Quote from krazykarl:

I agree - but people are talking like the Fed gets all this money from the govt. When it comes to the bailout funds I agree we should know where the money went, but let's be serious: the treasury already knows where it went. The fed shouldn't be telling us where it went, the treasury should be.
And like the Tar Baby, they ain't talkin'.
 
Quote from Random.Capital: this is exactly what they dont want to reveal, its the magic or a magicians illusion which is keeping the audience mesmerized,this secret has been carefully guarded since the inception of the federal reserve

1. Anybody with a lick of sense understands the situation on the Fed's books already. The details an audit might uncover are relatively unimportant given the big picture.
 
Quote from krazykarl:

That is the biggest load of crap i've read in a long time. The money supply consists of Federal reserve notes - there is nothing else that is legal tender in the US.


Also by your reply you clearly have no understanding of what the fed is. THE FED IS NOT A SINGLE ENTITY. There are various groups that make up what you likely think is "The Fed" - some are public and are appointed by the govt. and others are private, like each of the regional reserve banks for example. The regional banks are contracted "agents" of the treasury, much like Lockheed Martin is a contractor for the US military.

AND PLEASE LINK TO THE POST WHERE I SAID THE FED IS "ABOVE THE LAW". Instead of creating imaginary statements why not discuss with me the facts of what I said? And no, the private parts of the Fed are not responsible for reporting to congress, though the public parts are.


And for the record, the Treasury actually produces the US currency via the Mint.

You're an idiot. I'm surprised a broker lets you trade.

"Money Supply" (look it up), is finite.

Dollars printed by the FED DEBASE existing money already in circulation.

This is how "Inflation" (look it up) occurs.

How do you suppose we got here? Doubling real estate? 150 oil? 1000 Gold???

I know how the FED works. You clearly don't understand how money supply works. Save your irrelevant and off-topic rant for another thread.

Above the Law? You're practically sucking Bernackes cock.

Now get a clue.
 
Quote from krazykarl:

I don't get your point. Who cares if the dollar gets weaker - everyone else's currency is in bad shape as well.

No, you don't get it. Strong inflation destroys real wealth. Even most tangible assets lose value, in real terms. This means exploding nominal GDP, and shrinking real GDP.

This is why inflation is very destructive. Wages/Incomes get destroyed.



Quote from krazykarl:

The treasury collects tax revenue.

Oh, very astute. I also heard the Congress pass laws. And the Post Office? Apparently, they deliver mail! :D

Quote from krazykarl:

The Fed issues reserve notes backed by its member banks.

No, the FED issues notes backed by the full faith and credit (read: our sweat and labor) of the AMERICAN SHEEPLE.

You think a FED note has any value because its issued by the "St Louis" FED??!

You don't even understand what fiat currency IS, or where its valued is derived.

Here's a clue: FIAT (means by decree of Government).

Start there and work backwards (if you can).
 
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