Gay marriages

I have another question too, which to me seems somewhat related to this whole web of questions on sexual moralities and how we instill them in children.

I just got a recording of the Spice Girls who I knew of but never really heard other than "tellmewhatyouwantwhatyoureallyreallywant . . . "

Now, it was 5 or 6 years ago already that they were at their peak of popularity. It seemed one of their largest (if not largest) base of fans was with young girls age 6 to 12, who used to be brought to their concerts by parents. Now, those 6 to 12 year olds are 11 to 18.

My point is that listening to the songs of the Spice Girls I can hear that they are extremely "adult" themed, songs with heavy sexual emphasis. What were parents thinking encouraging their pre-teen daughters to listen to this stuff??? How surprised are these parents likely to react when they discover that their daughters are engaging in sexual behaviors at very young ages?

What a strange society we live in these days.
 
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Thanks for the reply Gekko. Just a tiny point, it's quite amusing to hear *you* of people tell someone he's made a fool of himself! :)

Anyway, to the issue at hand. Let's take a look at the more poignant (ahem) segments of your tirade.

however, i'm not so close-minded that i do not understand where gays are coming from. the way people like you think is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand.

On the contrary Gekko dearest, I'm (generally) well aware of where they're coming from. Simply because I disapprove of gay marriage -- which is the topic, not homosexuality itself -- doesn't mean I don't understand their position.

i have said this before and i'll say it again. sexual attraction is not a choice. ACTING on it is a choice. YOU CAN'T DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO. you are born with an attraction. gayness may be a flaw, but it still a flaw that occurs all over the place in nature.


Oh, I've heard this 'argument' (endlessly) bandied about, to be sure. Thus far, however, I'm yet to read one convincing, conclusive scientific study that *proves* this is actually true. How do we know it's something you are BORN with and not something you DEVELOP?

Anyway, as you say, it's "still a flaw". Well, I could quickly round up a pack of faggot lovers that would argue that it isn't a flaw, that there is nothing "unnatural" about homosexuality at all. But those "arguments" tend to ignore the very basic fact that, in terms of sexuality, homosexuals are significantly in the minority. I'll come back to that later.

first of all, i think the entire concept of marriage is ridiculous. i think it comes from religion, which i think is ridiculous. we're the only animals on earth that get married. males were meant to be attracted to many females. society has created a bogus concept, stemmed from religion, which goes against nature. it's a disgrace so much of the world lives by clearly bogus religious principles.

Gekko, for whatever it's worth, I find your rants against religion childish and immature and off target by a long, long shot. But that's another discussion.

I'm no expert on this, but I don't marriage "stemmed" from religion, ie, people -- males and females -- weren't forming life long unions and raising families and then suddenly religion comes along and forces them to do it. I'd be absolutely shocked if this was the case. I think it's far more likely that marriage existed well and truly before religion got its hands on it.

Whatever the case, you'd be hard pressed to argue that raising children under the umbrella of a health family environment or a life long loving union between man and woman are "bogus concepts". So, I might be tempted to use your own language here and say, "to have the viewpoint you have shows you really have a major flaw in the way you think."

Now, I don't have any qualms with people being gay or any qualms with two men wanting to spend the rest of their lives together. I find such behavior disgusting -- as is my legal right to do, mind you -- but I wouldn't attempt to prevent them from doing it. (It's usually at this point that I'm labeled a "homophobe" -- a bogus, if very successful, non sequitar employed by the faggot lovers.)

What I do have a qualm with is this behavior being promoted. Legalising gay marriage means we have to homosexuality shoved in our faces. It means we simply have to stop and accept that gays exist and not continue any research into ways that gays might be helped to become normal -- afterall, if you accept that there's nothing inherently wrong with being gay, if there's no "problem", then you sure aren't going to be bothered about finding a "solution".

I mean, can anyone really argue that we are not ALREADY overexposed to homosexuality in the media? Come on! It's like every time I turn the TV on there's something about faggots on. Give me a break! Given their proportion of the whole population, a measley 2 or 3 percent, faggots get FAR too much air time as it is.

Now, he's the real crux of the issue. Letting gays marry simply promotes the idea of children being raised by gay couples. Well, let's just stop here and damn minute. That's a pretty momentous break with what has been THE NORM for the past thousands and thousands of years. Let's just think about this for a minute. Just what kinds of children are going to be raised by these faggots? Are we going to have innocent, trusting children taught that homosexuality is "just a lifestyle choice", are we going to have inter-sexual experimentation encouraged BY PARENTS? What kind of values is such a society going to adopt? What are the implications for the rest of us? Call me stupid, call me alarmist, but I'm not sure I want the 2% of faggots in the world deciding for the rest of what sort of shape our society takes over coming decades. The simple fact is that recognizing gay marriage is going to have big implications further down the road. So rather than just jump on the bandwagon of whatever high and mighty, know-it-all, faggot loving liberals tell us is "good and proper", let's take a moment to think things through.

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Furthermore, surely you can't have failed to have noticed the zeal with which liberals promote the faggot cause can you? Freakin hell, if there's EVER been an outright case of arguing better by yelling louder than this is surely it.
Couple the liberal faggot crusade with the waning, but ever persistent, drivel emanating from militant feminists, and the traditional guy, the classic man, is left lost, lonely and longing for a place in which he can -- shock, horror, outrage -- BE A FUCKING MAN.
I am SICK and I am TIRED of it. And I'm NOT going to shut up about it just because some liberal maggot thinks it's distasteful for a man to assert his right to BE A MAN.
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wow.... This kid must have been molested or something. A child growing up needs love lots of love.... Besides just because parents are straight does not necessarily mean that child will be taught good values.....But I hear ya....
 
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I don't want to become centrally involved in this thread, but there sure is a lot of misinformation here, such as that homosexuality is "learned", and that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing.

Do you guys want to debate the issue or just share ignorance?
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What I'd like db, is some proof, or, at the very least, very, very strong evidence that homosexuality is an unavoidable personal characteristic -- rather than simply letting that become the de facto point of view on the subject.

So, you have something to share?

Oh, and it doesn't have to be "learned" for it to "develop", either.

And, lastly, whether it is or isn't simply isn't central to the discussion, so if you plan to snow me with some jargon-heavy literature on the matter, maybe better to start your own thread.
 
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wow.... This kid must have been molested or something. A child growing up needs love lots of love.... Besides just because parents are straight does not necessarily mean that child will be taught good values.....But I hear ya....
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Oh please.

You know, I can virtually guarantee two things when discussing faggots. 1) I'll be called a "homophobe" and 2) it'll be said I've been molested.


A child does need lots of love, no doubt about that, but it also needs -- if the experiences of the past 10,000 years are to count for anything -- motherly love.

But, if you're a faggot loving liberal, you can always choose to close your eyes to historical norms and promote your own, has-to-be-right-no-chance-of-being-wrong, vision of paradise down every else's throat.
 
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You know, I can virtually guarantee two things when discussing faggots. 1) I'll be called a "homophobe" and 2) it'll be said I've been molested.


A child does need lots of love, no doubt about that, but it also needs -- if the experiences of the past 10,000 years are to count for anything -- motherly love.
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If you're going to use perjorative terms, being called a homophobe should not come as a surprise to you.

As for motherly love, there are many cultures in which the village raises the young, not just the birth mother. Over the last thirty years, of course, our young haven't been raised by anybody, which is a sociologist's dream.
 
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Oh please.

You know, I can virtually guarantee two things when discussing faggots. 1) I'll be called a "homophobe" and 2) it'll be said I've been molested.


A child does need lots of love, no doubt about that, but it also needs -- if the experiences of the past 10,000 years are to count for anything -- motherly love.

But, if you're a faggot loving liberal, you can always choose to close your eyes to historical norms and promote your own, has-to-be-right-no-chance-of-being-wrong, vision of paradise down every else's throat.
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It just seems you may be a little to angry of the idea of same sex marriages/parents.... When in fact you should be worrying about how good your marriage is and how good of a father you are... Motherly love my ass, many single male parents fill those shoes if need be. You are assuming that being parents of the same sex deteriorates how good they can raise that child....WHERE IS THE PROOF OR STUDY TO BACK that assumption up.....

Most same sex parents adopt their kids ( from heterosexual parents who have neglected them ), surely that must be better than being raised by lets say THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT orphanage system...
 
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Motherly love my ass, many single male parents fill those shoes if need be.
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Yeah exactly. And look at the problems with children being raised in one parent families. It's not just motherly love, it's being raised in a healthy family environment that breeds good kids. And without a mummy and daddy -- you guessed it -- you don't have a "healthy family environment".


Most same sex parents adopt their kids ( from heterosexual parents who have neglected them ), surely that must be better than being raised by lets say THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT orphanage system...

Oh, really? They adopt them? Gee whizz, I never knew that! :)

I'll have to check my facts, but I don't believe there's a lack of willing adoptee parents out there. And even if there was, that doesn't change that I still believe it's not a good idea for kids to be raised by gay couples.
 
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Yeah exactly. And look at the problems with children being raised in one parent families. It's not just motherly love, it's being raised in a healthy family environment that breeds good kids. And without a mummy and daddy -- you guessed it -- you don't have a "healthy family environment".


Most same sex parents adopt their kids ( from heterosexual parents who have neglected them ), surely that must be better than being raised by lets say THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT orphanage system...

Oh, really? They adopt them? Gee whizz, I never knew that! :)

I'll have to check my facts, but I don't believe there's a lack of willing adoptee parents out there. And even if there was, that doesn't change that I still believe it's not a good idea for kids to be raised by gay couples.
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There are bad kids from all walks of life ( gay parents, no parents, good parents, drug abusive parents ) and vice versa....whats your point...like i said (you are assuming) because it is your belief that being gay parents deterioates from being a good parent ...Once again i ask for THE STUDY OR PROOF to back your belief or assumption up...

And there are other forms same sex parents have babies that are not thru adoption....

You are debating this issue from a strong belief you have not from a scientific point or from a study point...so once again whats your point..that you hate FAGGOTS??

I may not like them myself....but that doesnt make them a bad parent or person.....peace
 
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