Gay Marriage

Do you usually define yourself by what others do, or don't do?

For me, I would hate to live my life being so concerned with what others are doing and what they may or may not find value in!
 
Jem:
>I know you are attempting to bait me.

Into what?

I know you must have read Greorge Orwell.

I have not. Sorry.

>What I was concerned about committing too. Does
>not involve anyone but one man and one women. By
>changing that definition you are changing what I am.

You my friend are a very insecure individual if someone that you do no know on the other side of the country (or next door) legally promising to love each other forever changes who you are.

>Can you understand that. Do you want me to go
>on. Or do you understand that now.

Oh, I understand it now and I feel sad for you. Life can be so much more.

JB
 
Waggie when I surfed all the time and made a little bit of money I did not care what society thought because I did not need them. When you get involved in society you have to be aware of what you are projecting and what you are. There is no getting around it. Try being a lawyer who does't do what he says. Try own a trading business and lying about how you do things or whether you train people properly.

Try being a neighbor who does not get along. Yes I would prefer to be a rugged individual with the resources to not care about how people see me, but then I probably should not have chosen to have kids.
 
Just to let you turok you are also a very poor psychologist and I am pretty sure I should not waste any more time exchanging ideas with you. You do not care to engage in constructive dialogue. You are like a little debating gnat.

My responses have nothing to do with my self worth. They have to do with my respect for the U.S. and its institutions. Institutions that I see being systematiclly broken down by smart people with agendas, with the support of naive people who think they are progessive.
 
I understand what you are trying to say, but I still don't see how two people's commitment to be monogamous and be legally-bound to each other effects you . . . or how it threatens your heterosexual lifestyle.
 
Jem, before you can even hope to achieve any constructive dialog you would have to actually make up you mind what it is that your don't like about it because you are inconsistent.

First you say:
>By changing that definition you are changing what I am.

Then you say:
>My responses have nothing to do with my self worth.
>They have to do with my respect for the U.S. and its
>institutions.

Again, it's a sad place to be when we allow others actions define what we are. I hope more for you and all some day.

JB

PS. Waggie...it doesn't
 
Jem:
>Yes I would prefer to be a rugged individual with the
>resources to not care about how people see me, but
>then I probably should not have chosen to have kids.

I believe the best thing we can pass on to our kids is the strength to consider their impact on others and to define *themselves* accordingly.

JB
 
Diode wrote:
I have no problem conceding this point. I'm actually in agreement with you [Alfonso] that legitimizing gay marriage will lead to a substantial increase in homosexuality in America. In fact, the growing acceptance and visibility of gays in our society is already doing this. You are correct in predicting that children will feel more freedom to experiment, will often choose to emulate gay parents and teachers, and that many will ultimately decide that they prefer to be with partners of the same sex. Human sexuality is a malleable thing and while genetics plays a huge part, it is not all-deciding.

So what? What is wrong with people having the freedom to make this choice for themselves?
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Diode, thank you for having the courage to admit your agreement to my projections, knowing, as I assume you do, any hint of non-favorable discourse on homosexuality gets you pinged as a "bigot" or a "homophobe".

Now, what is wrong with that you ask? What is wrong with having the "freedom" to make such a choice?

Well, firstly, this "freedom" you speak of is something of an illusion, isn't it. How can you on the one hand agree that the set of factors you mention will influence a rise in homosexuality and then on the other hand speak of this as being a free choice?

It is simply a question of whether we think increased homosexuality would be good for society. Now, as a libertarian -- which is the picture I am getting of you -- you may have some trouble understanding how some people actually see themselves as being a part of and living in and contributing to a society; ie, as opposed to a bunch of individuals concerned only about the direction their personal life takes. But try to understand.

Do you have children or are planning to? Would you want your kid turing out gay? When you teach your child about love and sex etc etc what message are you going to convey? Wouldn't you agree that for the vast majority of people it would be an overtly heterosexual one? Because people, generally, like and desire a heterosexual society? And we'd want to keep it that way? That our children would grow up as heterosexuals? Is this too difficult to grasp?

It simply amazes me how shortsighted some people can be. They go out there with these holiest of purposes -- kinda like the marxists -- and then when the inevitable occurs it's well go-lee I never saw that coming.
 
Quote from alfonso:

Diode, thank you for having the courage to admit your agreement to my projections, knowing, as I assume you do, any hint of non-favorable discourse on homosexuality gets you pinged as a "bigot" or a "homophobe".

Now, what is wrong with that you ask? What is wrong with having the "freedom" to make such a choice?

Well, firstly, this "freedom" you speak of is something of an illusion, isn't it. How can you on the one hand agree that the set of factors you mention will influence a rise in homosexuality and then on the other hand speak of this as being a free choice?

It is simply a question of whether we think increased homosexuality would be good for society. Now, as a libertarian -- which is the picture I am getting of you -- you may have some trouble understanding how some people actually see themselves as being a part of and living in and contributing to a society; ie, as opposed to a bunch of individuals concerned only about the direction their personal life takes. But try to understand.

Do you have children or are planning to? Would you want your kid turing out gay? When you teach your child about love and sex etc etc what message are you going to convey? Wouldn't you agree that for the vast majority of people it would be an overtly heterosexual one? Because people, generally, like and desire a heterosexual society? And we'd want to keep it that way? That our children would grow up as heterosexuals? Is this too difficult to grasp?

It simply amazes me how shortsighted some people can be. They go out there with these holiest of purposes -- kinda like the marxists -- and then when the inevitable occurs it's well go-lee I never saw that coming.
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Wow.....Good points Al.....Im already dreading the talk with the kids in a few years....but seriously, can you imagine sitting down and telling your kids how the homosexuals have intercourse????:eek: :eek:

" well Sally, its perfectly normal and acceptable...BRUCE puts his PENIS into STEPHEN"S RECTUM...""

" But why Daddy, to make Babies"????

" Uhhhmmmm...I have no idea!...Love, Thats how Bruce expresses his Love"


sheesh....:confused: :confused:
 
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