Gangsta rap/Trap music and its effects on society and youth

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Toutvabien

Having lived in East London for some time now (3 km away from the city), and not knowing what was really going on here until I arrived , I have to say I'm pretty amazed by the amount of criminal gangs and drug dealers I have encountered. Despite my average physical appearance I have been offered drugs on the street on a daily basis and almost in every main road I have seen groups of teenagers working on their turf smoking weed and doing their thing. I have as well seen robbery attempts and people fighting with machetes on the street.
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My point here is that after much thinking about it I have come to the conclusion that gangsta rap is doing a great disservice to the poorest communities all around the globe. Being a fan myself when I was younger I have to reckon that the industry that has been formed around it in the last decades has set role models for the youth that in my opinion have had completely devastating effects for them. Being a killer and a junkie is now mainstream and fashionable and it turns out I'm sometimes labeled as a weirdo for pointing that out.

I would like to hear your opinions on this matter.
Do you think governments should be more strict and somehow censor the content that is promoting illegal activities or violent attitudes?
 
Yo Dog.
Top 5 Ways to Use Positive Reinforcement to Reward a Dog
https://www.thesprucepets.com/ways-to-reward-a-dog-1118276
Using positive reinforcement is one of the easiest ways to train a dog. When training with the positive reinforcement method, you give the dog a reward to reinforce a behavior you like. For instance, if you ask your dog to drop a joint in the gangsta rap, violent genre that will bring down double platinum, and he does it, you give him a contract and a taste of the money. You're rewarding his good behavior.

https://www.complex.com/music/2013/05/the-25-most-violent-rap-songs-of-all-time/
Some people say hip-hop glorifies violence. We think they don't know what violence is...yet.
Violent hip-hop generally falls into three distinct categories: gun clapping, physical beating, or slasher flick-style horrorcore songs. M.O.P., Grand Daddy I.U. and Big L prefer to reign down hot lead on all "foes and enemies," while Kool G Rap and The Convicts subscribe to the belief that a punch in the face can solve all of the world's problems. Meanwhile, serial killers and cannibals are the violent protagonists of choice for Esham, Gangsta N.I.P. and the Gravediggaz. We'll explore these all in depth herein.
Ranging from the hilariously ridiculous to the eerily realistic, here are the 25 most violent rap songs of all time, complete with the most potent threats—and body counts. Cue the outrage...

https://pitchfork.com/levels/10-great-rap-songs-about-money/
According to the Notorious B.I.G.’s iconic “Things Done Changed” lyric, there were only two ways for a kid from the hood to get paid: “Either you’re slingin’ crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot.” The irony is that as B.I.G. was laying this somewhat fatalistic verse down, he was in the midst of popularizing a third path to the paper—becoming a rap star.

Excise Tax to 'recover damages', on He Who Promotes the 'records', aka 'The Label' eg. Warner, ...etc.
Like it or not, this works. Good luck with the lobbyists.
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4419-9140-9_10
"...Although this chapter emphasizes how the excise tax is used as a tool of social engineering, any tax could be used to alter taxpayer behavior, so much of what is said about excise taxes could also be said about other taxes"
ymmv, unintended consequences, and so forth.
 
Rap is garbage and it breeds garbage. The whole so called “ hip hop” community is all about living irresponsible, criminal, subhuman lifestyles.
 
Well, fortunately there are many opinions about hip hop and rap and the lifestyle that celebs appear to have. There are also folks who can help make some sense of it. Sonnie Johnson is one, she's on Sirius XM on the weekends. She's terrific, but it may take some time before you enjoy her perspective.

 
years ago three weeks, one week in, pard called back home, two weeks to kill so i trained from barcelona to firenza, cinque terre, rome, and really enjoyed hip hop rap in foreign languages on the fm ear bud, thattaway the lyrics remained another important dimension of the tune, but without the message baggage. easy travel in those days. this song damn for sure better in italian.
 
Toutvabien said:
Having lived in East London for some time now (3 km away from the city), and not knowing what was really going on here until I arrived , I have to say I'm pretty amazed by the amount of criminal gangs and drug dealers I have encountered. Despite my average physical appearance I have been offered drugs on the street on a daily basis and almost in every main road I have seen groups of teenagers working on their turf smoking weed and doing their thing. I have as well seen robbery attempts and people fighting with machetes on the street.
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My point here is that after much thinking about it I have come to the conclusion that gangsta rap is doing a great disservice to the poorest communities all around the globe. Being a fan myself when I was younger I have to reckon that the industry that has been formed around it in the last decades has set role models for the youth that in my opinion have had completely devastating effects for them. Being a killer and a junkie is now mainstream and fashionable and it turns out I'm sometimes labeled as a weirdo for pointing that out.

I would like to hear your opinions on this matter.
Do you think governments should be more strict and somehow censor the content that is promoting illegal activities or violent attitudes?
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Valid point except the part about government censoring content.

As we learned from the attempt to blame heavy metal music on satanic cults or devil killings, the music will not turn you into an asshole, those people already were assholes.

So I do not want the government stepping in and telling us the only music they will allow is white Christian rock to support their wholesome clean image.

No one who sells drugs and gang bangs was a honors student in Calculus until they heard Ice Cube's America's Most Wanted.

Rap today has really moved away from Gangsta rap, some of the bands you cite for current day Gangsta rap are not as famous or get any traction as Travis Scott, Boogie Wit Da hoodie, Drake, Tyler, Kendrick Lamar etc.. These guys lyrics are more stories than banging or slinging.

Gangsta Rap is so 1990s and rap has now moved into more R&B/Hip Hop. Sure there are some fringe bands still pushing the 90s theme but it is more and more outdate just like a band now trying to sound grunge or like Bel Biv Davoe.

Being a killer or a junkie is NOT maintstream in the Hip Hop music of the top artists over the past few years. Those fucktard still slinging and banging are not doing it because of the music, they doing it because that is all they know, what is around them and they are assholes.
 
El OchoCinco said:
Valid point except the part about government censoring content.

As we learned from the attempt to blame heavy metal music on satanic cults or devil killings, the music will not turn you into an asshole, those people already were assholes.

So I do not want the government stepping in and telling us the only music they will allow is white Christian rock to support their wholesome clean image.

No one who sells drugs and gang bangs was a honors student in Calculus until they heard Ice Cube's America's Most Wanted.

Rap today has really moved away from Gangsta rap, some of the bands you cite for current day Gangsta rap are not as famous or get any traction as Travis Scott, Boogie Wit Da hoodie, Drake, Tyler, Kendrick Lamar etc.. These guys lyrics are more stories than banging or slinging.

Gangsta Rap is so 1990s and rap has now moved into more R&B/Hip Hop. Sure there are some fringe bands still pushing the 90s theme but it is more and more outdate just like a band now trying to sound grunge or like Bel Biv Davoe.

Being a killer or a junkie is NOT maintstream in the Hip Hop music of the top artists over the past few years. Those fucktard still slinging and banging are not doing it because of the music, they doing it because that is all they know, what is around them and they are assholes.
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I get what you are trying to say but if you are telling me that artists like Lil Pump, XXXtentacion, Tekashi69 and so on are not mainstream then we have different opinions on what mainstream means.
Yes those little thugs were probably not gonna win the nobel prize any time soon, but I have seen plenty of other cases( old friends, school partners and such) get pretty wasted after pursuing that lifestyle when they were pretty sharp people at the time
 
Toutvabien said:
I get what you are trying to say but if you are telling me that artists like Lil Pump, XXXtentacion, Tekashi69 and so on are not mainstream then we have different opinions on what mainstream means.
Yes those little thugs were probably not gonna win the nobel prize any time soon, but I have seen plenty of other cases( old friends, school partners and such) get pretty wasted after pursuing that lifestyle when they were pretty sharp people at the time
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XXXtentacion is dead so shows you how maintstream he was haha. He had numerous legal issues and was a thug trying to make it in rap and his career fizzled because he was 20 years too late.

Lil Pump was someone with mental issues and dyslexia and also flirted with the law too many times.

You will see these guys get popular if music is good but their personal lives of drugs, violence against women and just acting like a thug turns them off to mainstream popularity. Again back in 1992 he would have been a lot bigger.

The issue is not the music but the drug culture and crime. Watching a good kid go down the road of drugs and then gang banging has so many more causes than the music. REMEMBER gangsta rap came out of people in those situations writing and singing about because they were living it (Ice Cube and Eazy E were in that life and simply wrote about it and made music). Not the other way around. Now there are too many wannabees who think looking like gangstas makes them popular.

I don't think the model works anymore when you see Drake, Travis Scott and more like them who are acutally talented producers and writers making music.
 
NY_HOOD said:
Rap is garbage and it breeds garbage. The whole so called “ hip hop” community is all about living irresponsible, criminal, subhuman lifestyles.
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yeah and Italians are known for being law-abiding citizens. they are the inspiration for gangster living. get the fuck outta here. (in your heritage accent)
 
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