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Gaming of Obamacare Poses a Fatal Threat
- Thread starter Banjo
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The entire U.S. Health complex is a train wreck, not just Obamacare. It will be impossible to fix piecemeal. The only way to fix it is to for profit insurance companies out of the business altogether and let them sell supplementary insurance if they can. It will get fixed eventually because it is threatening to bankrupt us all. We will eventually go to medicare for all with tightly controlled pricing. We might as well get started, since we will end up there anyway. If you've been in a hospital lately than you probably noticed there are ten people working at computer screens for every one person actually interfacing with patients. Yikes!
The entire U.S. Health complex is a train wreck, not just Obamacare. It will be impossible to fix piecemeal. The only way to fix it is to for profit insurance companies out of the business altogether and let them sell supplementary insurance if they can. It will get fixed eventually because it is threatening to bankrupt us all. We will eventually go to medicare for all with tightly controlled pricing. We might as well get started, since we will end up there anyway. If you've been in a hospital lately than you probably noticed there are ten people working at computer screens for every one person actually interfacing with patients. Yikes!
I disagree with you that putting for-profit insurance companies out of business will somehow fix the healthcare system in the U.S. - it will not.
There are plenty of western nations that have public and private plans in the market that co-exist. For example in Germany, each year workers select between the public plan and several private plans in the workplace. The private plans cost more and offer more benefits generally. However they are still close in cost to the public plan because they are competing against it.
This type of public / private system has been implemented very successfully in many countries and should of been used as the model in the U.S. Instead we got the disaster known as Obamacare which was an attempt to giveaway everything demanded healthcare and insurance company lobbyists. It certainly has backfired on the insurance clowns, they got everything they demanded and now it is bankrupting their firms.
The U.S. would have been far better off in extending Medicaid to all, and then allow private insurance companies to offer alternative policies to employees at companies. However the greedy healthcare industry would not want something like this - it would cut in on their profits. Nor does the industry was common sense reforms such as offering health insurance policies at a national level instead of state level to be put into place (which would make the cost much lower with no state regulatory paperwork required).
Bottom line: Obamacare is a complete disaster and must be replaced. However what it must be replaced with is not what tea party Republicans are dreaming of - the replacement must be more aligned with the public/private systems that many European countries have in place to be cost effective and medically effective.
Gov't healthcare is worthless. It's a fantasy to think the gov't is going to provide quality health care at a reasonable price. Only nuts think so.
Private health insurance must be in place to make companies compete for what consumers actually want to be insured for. Not state regulated monopolies that mandate who can offer care and what they must provide.
And medicare doesn't "work". It only looks like it does because it's subsidized by the taxpayer.
How many people have to die before the voices of gov't worshiping clowns are drowned out.
Private health insurance must be in place to make companies compete for what consumers actually want to be insured for. Not state regulated monopolies that mandate who can offer care and what they must provide.
And medicare doesn't "work". It only looks like it does because it's subsidized by the taxpayer.
How many people have to die before the voices of gov't worshiping clowns are drowned out.
Gov't healthcare is worthless. It's a fantasy to think the gov't is going to provide quality health care at a reasonable price. Only nuts think so.
Private health insurance must be in place to make companies compete for what consumers actually want to be insured for. Not state regulated monopolies that mandate who can offer care and what they must provide.
And medicare doesn't "work". It only looks like it does because it's subsidized by the taxpayer.
How many people have to die before the voices of gov't worshiping clowns are drowned out.
So let me ask - let's assume there is a national mandate that 100% of the people in the U.S. have medical insurance coverage. Which of the following two scenarios will cost less to provide this coverage.
1) Extending Medicaid as a public plan to those who are not covered by their jobs. Medicaid will continue as one large national insurance pool that includes buying power to obtain cheap drugs. Those with jobs will still have policies offered by their employers. The cost will be carried by taxes paid by working Americans to cover extending Medicaid..
2) Following the current Obamacare route. The uncovered are placed in private insurance plans. Low income people are subsidized with deep discounts on for-profit policies by those who work for a living. The cost will be carried by taxes paid by working Americans AND the increased costs that workers will pay for their insurance policies to cover the burden of the chronically ill from Obamacare policies.
Hint: One of the options above is over twice the cost of the other.
So let me ask - let's assume there is a national mandate that 100% of the people in the U.S. have medical insurance coverage. Which of the following two scenarios will cost less to provide this coverage.
1) Extending Medicaid as a public plan to those who are not covered by their jobs. Medicaid will continue as one large national insurance pool that includes buying power to obtain cheap drugs. Those with jobs will still have policies offered by their employers. The cost will be carried by taxes paid by working Americans to cover extending Medicaid..
2) Following the current Obamacare route. The uncovered are placed in private insurance plans. Low income people are subsidized with deep discounts on for-profit policies by those who work for a living. The cost will be carried by taxes paid by working Americans AND the increased costs that workers will pay for their insurance policies to cover the burden of the chronically ill from Obamacare policies.
Hint: One of the options above is over twice the cost of the other.
Since you've spent time in Canada, i'd expect that at the least you'd know what all
Canadians know, which is that their own courts stated that
HEALTH INSURANCE IS NOT HEALTH CARE
Gov't cannot do it. period.
Why would anyone think that govt is going to save them when every single bit of evidence before their eyes refutes that notion.
Hint: wake the f up
Arnie . . . is this on the health program?
The corporations rule over the doctors. Doctors are mostly introverts, content to be corporate drones, pushing pills and remaining willfully ignorant of any and all natural cures. Until we can have all doctors be Naturopaths we are going to be harmed about as much as helped by medicine and any attempts to bring prices down will be utterly futile.
I became dehydrated and got a urinary tract infection. My galpal kept urging me to go to a doctor [she's anti-natural cures, lots of people are] so I did. I took a few doses of Cipro and got brain damage that causes me to lose my balance just all day every day. I talked to my Naturopath doctor and he told me to drink water with baking soda twice a day for such problems. The next time I got the infection I tried that and voila! My kidneys and bladder and all are soothed, the infection is gone, no side effects, no forms to fill out, no insurance to deal with, just none of that shit that I hate so..
Cipro, a fluoroquinolone, was once the last ditch antibiotic, reserved for cases where the side effects were warranted and some patients have much more severe side effects than you would ever imagine possible. Now doctors are running out of antibiotic options and they are prescribing fluoroquinolones to the tune of 25,000,000 prescriptions per year. That is another feature of the introverts that are drawn to medicine, they just are never wrong. They can't say "well folks we're out of antibiotic options here". Big Pharma will not allow them to tell people about natural stuff, they can't admit they are wrong, they are poisoning a whole lot of people and they have legal immunity afaik.
I became dehydrated and got a urinary tract infection. My galpal kept urging me to go to a doctor [she's anti-natural cures, lots of people are] so I did. I took a few doses of Cipro and got brain damage that causes me to lose my balance just all day every day. I talked to my Naturopath doctor and he told me to drink water with baking soda twice a day for such problems. The next time I got the infection I tried that and voila! My kidneys and bladder and all are soothed, the infection is gone, no side effects, no forms to fill out, no insurance to deal with, just none of that shit that I hate so..
Cipro, a fluoroquinolone, was once the last ditch antibiotic, reserved for cases where the side effects were warranted and some patients have much more severe side effects than you would ever imagine possible. Now doctors are running out of antibiotic options and they are prescribing fluoroquinolones to the tune of 25,000,000 prescriptions per year. That is another feature of the introverts that are drawn to medicine, they just are never wrong. They can't say "well folks we're out of antibiotic options here". Big Pharma will not allow them to tell people about natural stuff, they can't admit they are wrong, they are poisoning a whole lot of people and they have legal immunity afaik.
The entire U.S. Health complex is a train wreck, not just Obamacare. It will be impossible to fix piecemeal. The only way to fix it is to for profit insurance companies out of the business altogether and let them sell supplementary insurance if they can. It will get fixed eventually because it is threatening to bankrupt us all. We will eventually go to medicare for all with tightly controlled pricing. We might as well get started, since we will end up there anyway. If you've been in a hospital lately than you probably noticed there are ten people working at computer screens for every one person actually interfacing with patients. Yikes!
Completely agree...More people have to realize that this subject crosses party lines...I might disagree with you on other issues and there are a few on the far left that have made almost the exact same point as you have here...My issue is with people not looking at each issue and making an objective observation. You are clearly looking at this without a bias and we can only hope that eventually this system of healthcare becomes so completely absurd that it's completely overhauled...Piece by piece, as you have alluded to, will get us nowhere.