Gaining Muscle and Losing Fat (2015)

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Can I ask what symptoms you have? TRT isn't supposed to make you feel like you're on a cycle. You should feel "normal" whatever that is. Even at dosages over 200mg from what I've studied seems too high to be on for extended periods of time. Anything I've read/studied the most I've seen Is 150mg once every 5 to 7 days.


When dabbling did you take anything post cycle to combat the estrogen rebound? Or an aromatase inhibitor during to combat estrogen build up as well?
I have all the classic symptoms of low testosterone, with the exception of decent strength and the ability to add muscle.

Low T guys who go on TRT report a night and day change. Libido, boners, energy, sleep, mood, well-being, attitude all come back. There's a big difference between being normal and having low T. Huge difference.

Earlier this year, yes, I believe I took some Arimidex here and there while dabbling. The cycle lasted maybe 7 weeks? I've been like this for over 10 years. Has nothing to do with steroids, which I only began experimenting with this year. It was the propecia/proscar/finesteride. Never take it.

Correction: it was everything to do with steroids. Propecia is an anti-androgen. 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor. Anyway, yes, the low T is a result of steroid use (propecia).
 
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He looks good for sure. Another guy on the thinner side that I've always thought looked awesome is Bob Paris.
Can't believe you mentioned Bob Paris, classic physique. My training has gone full circle. I started off in my parents garage when I was 15, moved on to various Gyms including Larry Pacifico's which was pretty hardcore. I even competed in my late teens, early twenties. Now I am back to training at home using just barbells and dumbbells with the basic lifts centered around squat, bench and deadlift and I love it. I try to keep my muscles guessing with the rep scheme and it seems to be working. You can still make gains at any age I believe.
 
I just discovered this thread today/now....51 pages...wow... :eek:

Bodybuilding is relatively easy. I was so into it in my teen and early/mid 20's. and had good results...got lots of compliments.

The first thing you want to do is eat like 6 meals per day...Small meals...divided equally. to keep your metabolism steady and good. drink plenty of water...try a gallon/day.
(no candy, soda, fried foods, junk food, fast food at all.)

Supplement with creatine, whey protein, vitamins, amino acid tablets...and even possibly testosterone booster.

workout 3 days/week. about an hour or hour and a half with weights. workout 2 or 3 body parts/muscles per workout session. 2 exercises per body part/muscle. 10 reps each.
and throw in an equal amount of cardio exercises to remain agile and flexible and have stamina.

...it's not rocket science...you'll have a buff, defined, sculpted body in no time. o_O
 
Can't believe you mentioned Bob Paris, classic physique. My training has gone full circle. I started off in my parents garage when I was 15, moved on to various Gyms including Larry Pacifico's which was pretty hardcore. I even competed in my late teens, early twenties. Now I am back to training at home using just barbells and dumbbells with the basic lifts centered around squat, bench and deadlift and I love it. I try to keep my muscles guessing with the rep scheme and it seems to be working. You can still make gains at any age I believe.
Based on your previous post, I assume that you are at least in your 50s (as am I). I may have misunderstood, but are you saying you've been working out your whole life and are still making gains? Or were you implicitly referring to people who may have started working out later in life? I ask because, although I've worked out pretty much my whole life and take it fairly seriously, I'm not as strong as I was at my peak which I think I hit in my 30s and which ~seemed to have lasted well into my 40s.
 
Based on your previous post, I assume that you are at least in your 50s (as am I). I may have misunderstood, but are you saying you've been working out your whole life and are still making gains? Or were you implicitly referring to people who may have started working out later in life? I ask because, although I've worked out pretty much my whole life and take it fairly seriously, I'm not as strong as I was at my peak which I think I hit in my 30s and which ~seemed to have lasted well into my 40s.
Maybe he means making gains after a protracted layoff. This has been the case with me. Now in my mid 60's I am making gains from where I was 5 years ago, which was pretty bad. That said, I'm no where near as strong as I was when I was 40, and the 20's? Lets not even go there or I'll start to cry.
 
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Of course they do. It's an interesting science because it really doesn't matter. If you followed a 3x10 stopping short of failure routine you will still get results only if however it's 3x10 at 100#s then at some point in the future 3x10 at 110#s. The key to any program is progression. I've gotten just as strong following more of a powerlifting periodization routine as I have taking sets to failure. The common denominator was progression. I just prefer failure. Also if it's short of failure it's not failure. So what deliniates that? If I stop a rep short is that still optimal? What then isn't? How do you really know you're a rep short or 2reps short? I like failure bc I make the attempt and that's how I know lol. Does it really matter what's "optimal" if results can still be attained? Finally, how many people can actually go to failure and want to come back and do it again the next day? In my experience not many hahaha.
I wasn't sufficiently clear with my question. My apologies. I realize that submaximal sets have some value on their own and presumable with some volume. What I wanted to home in on is whether submaximal sets have any meaningful incremental value if you subsequently do a maximal set of the same exercise immediately thereafter. If you do a maximal set (failure), do you think there is any strength or hypertrophy benefit to be attributable to the submaximal set(s) that preceded it?
 
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I have all the classic symptoms of low testosterone, with the exception of decent strength and the ability to add muscle.
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Anyway, yes, the low T is a result of steroid use (propecia).

Do you still take Propecia or anything similar?
 
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